From danm at prime.gushi.org Thu Jul 1 09:38:43 2010 From: danm at prime.gushi.org (Dan Mahoney, System Admin) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Using a role when sending via the command line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > >> All, >> >> I've defined an alternate role, so in essence when I'm sending to a cell >> phone. This seems to work. However, when I compose anew from the command >> line (i.e. pine xxxxxxxxx@mymetropcs.com) it seems to load the default role >> (as my sometimes-long sig is present). >> >> Is this a known issue or am I just doing it wrong? Actually, there seems to still be an issue. I got it working, but then realized that other composes (including composes from the command line, and ones on the "mail list management screen" were also using this role. Apparently, the message body rules are IGNORED on compose (according to the help file). I fully understand why this would happen, say, if I had just started the composer using "c" from the main menu, as at that point Alpine doesn't have anything to make the comparison to and doesn't have the ability to "shift gears" once a role is in use. However, in both these cases, alpine KNOWS the address being used and can make that decision. It may not be able to match the *other* headers, but at the very least "to" and "participant" should be matchable. If there's a way to do this, please let me know. -Dan -- --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From bikefridaywalter at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 09:57:58 2010 From: bikefridaywalter at gmail.com (bikefridaywalter@gmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? Message-ID: Haven't been able to find any info on this anywhere. Is it possible to get full URLs displayed in the message body? The server info is nice, not insufficient. From danm at prime.gushi.org Thu Jul 1 10:35:44 2010 From: danm at prime.gushi.org (Dan Mahoney, System Admin) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, bikefridaywalter@gmail.com wrote: > Haven't been able to find any info on this anywhere. Is it possible to get > full URLs displayed in the message body? The server info is nice, not > insufficient. You could always a) view the raw message or b) press enter on a given url to "view" it, and it should be displayed before viewing, so you can copy/paste it from there. (Although in many cases it's off the edge of the screen, which I should write a rant about -- as it's poor url design and an alpine flaw in that alpine doesn't wrap it.). -Dan -- "Blargy Frap!" -mtreal, efnet #macintosh channel, 8.10.98, Approx 3AM --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From bikefridaywalter at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 10:44:33 2010 From: bikefridaywalter at gmail.com (bikefridaywalter@gmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, bikefridaywalter@gmail.com wrote: >> Haven't been able to find any info on this anywhere. Is it possible to get >> full URLs displayed in the message body? The server info is nice, not >> insufficient. > You could always a) view the raw message or b) press enter on a given url to > "view" it, and it should be displayed before viewing, so you can copy/paste > it from there. Actually I changed Prefer Plain Text (not sure that had an effect) and Supress Server After Link In HTML and at least I got it some useful URLs. > (Although in many cases it's off the edge of the screen, which I should write > a rant about -- as it's poor url design and an alpine flaw in that alpine > doesn't wrap it.). Yep, long links don't behave well. What would be a nice little patch, perhaps, would be URL shortener integration. From mattack at apple.com Thu Jul 1 10:45:59 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > You could always a) view the raw message or b) press enter on a given url to > "view" it, and it should be displayed before viewing, so you can copy/paste it > from there. > > (Although in many cases it's off the edge of the screen, which I should write > a rant about -- as it's poor url design and an alpine flaw in that alpine > doesn't wrap it.). I would say "virtually all", not "many". I basically always have to make my Terminal window wider to copy the full URL out(*). I seem to remember there is some sort of 'url info' command (though maybe I'm thinking of a different program), but whichever one I'm thinking of, even that isn't really much more useful. IMHO, I wish you could get the whole URL printed out at the bottom like you said -- even if it had a linebreak in it, since I can just copy/paste the whole thing into my browser and it just works (it must manually remove linefeeds in the URL). Another minor nitpick, and I realize this is probably technically "correct" behavior -- when in the process of doing the resizing, the URL then resets to a different one, so I have to control-F down to the right one again.. Wow, I guess I'm on a ranty mood today.. Guess my vacation day yesterday didn't get it out of me.. heh (*) Because I keep most of my Terminal windows 80 columns wide most of the time. Yes, you could claim that's Luddite-ism, but as I've said before, most people would claim anybody using a text-based email program is by definition Luttite-ism. From danm at prime.gushi.org Thu Jul 1 11:38:14 2010 From: danm at prime.gushi.org (Dan Mahoney, System Admin) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >> You could always a) view the raw message or b) press enter on a given url to >> "view" it, and it should be displayed before viewing, so you can copy/paste it >> from there. >> >> (Although in many cases it's off the edge of the screen, which I should write >> a rant about -- as it's poor url design and an alpine flaw in that alpine >> doesn't wrap it.). > > I would say "virtually all", not "many". I basically always have to > make my Terminal window wider to copy the full URL out(*). I seem to remember > there is some sort of 'url info' command (though maybe I'm thinking of a > different program), but whichever one I'm thinking of, even that isn't > really much more useful. > > IMHO, I wish you could get the whole URL printed out at the bottom like you > said -- even if it had a linebreak in it, since I can just copy/paste the whole > thing into my browser and it just works (it must manually remove linefeeds in > the URL). > > Another minor nitpick, and I realize this is probably technically "correct" > behavior -- when in the process of doing the resizing, the URL then resets to a > different one, so I have to control-F down to the right one again.. > > Wow, I guess I'm on a ranty mood today.. Guess my vacation day yesterday didn't > get it out of me.. heh > > (*) Because I keep most of my Terminal windows 80 columns wide most of the > time. Yes, you could claim that's Luddite-ism, but as I've said before, most > people would claim anybody using a text-based email program is by definition > Luttite-ism. I use putty because it has better mouse support, better UTF-8, better X support...but it lacks the ability secureCRT and gnome-terminal has to right-click and "open URL". I actually wanted to write up a spec for this, i.e. a way that terminal windows could push urls to client systems, as my terminal-based AIM client is also annoying in this way, and because to view an attachment someone sends me, I have to save it locally and then download via HTTP in another window. It's probably trivial to do the first half of this, define a "url viewer" that runs tinyurl, or something similar (or a local cgi that accomplishes the same thing), and then holds the screen with the URL until any key is pressed. It's also probably trivial to do the same thing as an "other file handler". So the puzzle pieces would be: 1) Viewer that alpine can call. 2) Web-cgi that you would then connect to with your browser that http-redirects you to the right place. (You'd want some kind of security on this since it would be visible in the referer logs, perhaps some kind of "burn after reading" method). 3) Mechanism for URL-pushing, alternatively some kind of bookmarklet or browser plugin. -Dan -- "I wish the Real World would just stop hassling me!" -Matchbox 20, Real World, off the album "Yourself or Someone Like You" --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From mattack at apple.com Thu Jul 1 11:49:08 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > I actually wanted to write up a spec for this, i.e. a way that terminal > windows could push urls to client systems, On OS X, I can just "open URL", but for some reason it doesn't work very well. I went back and forth with Eduardo a while about it, but we couldn't figure out the issue (AFAIR, he couldn't ever reproduce it). > annoying in this way, and because to view an attachment someone sends me, I > have to save it locally and then download via HTTP in another window. ok, at least for attachments in emails, I can also usually just view attachment, which then opens them in the GUI program responsible (e.g. Preview for PDFs or images). From bikefridaywalter at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 11:54:45 2010 From: bikefridaywalter at gmail.com (bikefridaywalter@gmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >> I actually wanted to write up a spec for this, i.e. a way that terminal >> windows could push urls to client systems, > On OS X, I can just "open URL", but for some reason it doesn't work very > well. I went back and forth with Eduardo a while about it, but we couldn't > figure out the issue (AFAIR, he couldn't ever reproduce it). CMD-click in iTerm.app has no problem with this. Also PuTTY Tray (win32, From mattack at apple.com Thu Jul 1 16:04:34 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, bikefridaywalter@gmail.com wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: >> On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >>> I actually wanted to write up a spec for this, i.e. a way that terminal >>> windows could push urls to client systems, >> On OS X, I can just "open URL", but for some reason it doesn't work very >> well. I went back and forth with Eduardo a while about it, but we couldn't >> figure out the issue (AFAIR, he couldn't ever reproduce it). > > CMD-click in iTerm.app has no problem with this. Also PuTTY Tray (win32, I'm talking about hitting return to open URLs.. if the URL isn't completely displayed, there's no way iTerm can open it!! From bikefridaywalter at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 16:09:52 2010 From: bikefridaywalter at gmail.com (bikefridaywalter@gmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, bikefridaywalter@gmail.com wrote: >> On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: >>> On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >>>> I actually wanted to write up a spec for this, i.e. a way that terminal >>>> windows could push urls to client systems, >>> On OS X, I can just "open URL", but for some reason it doesn't work very >>> well. I went back and forth with Eduardo a while about it, but we couldn't >>> figure out the issue (AFAIR, he couldn't ever reproduce it). >> CMD-click in iTerm.app has no problem with this. Also PuTTY Tray (win32, > I'm talking about hitting return to open URLs.. if the URL isn't completely > displayed, there's no way iTerm can open it!! I quote from http://www.madboa.com/geek/pine-macosx/ ... Two settings need to be tweaked if you want to be able to view URLs embedded in messages sent to you. First, you need to enable enable-msg-view-urls option. Second, tell the url-viewers option about open: url-viewers="/usr/bin/open _URL_" (I don't use this feature because I'm not always accessing alpine with OS X) From danm at prime.gushi.org Thu Jul 1 16:28:02 2010 From: danm at prime.gushi.org (Dan Mahoney, System Admin) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >> I actually wanted to write up a spec for this, i.e. a way that terminal >> windows could push urls to client systems, > > On OS X, I can just "open URL", but for some reason it doesn't work very > well. I went back and forth with Eduardo a while about it, but we couldn't > figure out the issue (AFAIR, he couldn't ever reproduce it). > >> annoying in this way, and because to view an attachment someone sends me, I >> have to save it locally and then download via HTTP in another window. > > ok, at least for attachments in emails, I can also usually just view attachment, > which then opens them in the GUI program responsible (e.g. Preview for PDFs > or images). You are running alpine on your local machine. I am running it on a colocated box 3000 miles away, where alpine has no idea what is in the local filesystem of the machine connected to the keyboard where I'm sitting. -- "Happy, Sad, Happy, Sad, Happy, Sad, Happy, Intruiged! I've never been so in touch with my emotions!" -AndrAIa as Hexadecimal, Reboot Episode 3.2.3 --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From bikefridaywalter at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 16:31:24 2010 From: bikefridaywalter at gmail.com (bikefridaywalter@gmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: >> On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >>> I actually wanted to write up a spec for this, i.e. a way that terminal >>> windows could push urls to client systems, >> On OS X, I can just "open URL", but for some reason it doesn't work very >> well. I went back and forth with Eduardo a while about it, but we couldn't >> figure out the issue (AFAIR, he couldn't ever reproduce it). >>> annoying in this way, and because to view an attachment someone sends me, >>> I >>> have to save it locally and then download via HTTP in another window. >> ok, at least for attachments in emails, I can also usually just view >> attachment, >> which then opens them in the GUI program responsible (e.g. Preview for PDFs >> or images). > You are running alpine on your local machine. I am running it on a colocated > box 3000 miles away, where alpine has no idea what is in the local filesystem > of the machine connected to the keyboard where I'm sitting. Thats my problem. Exactly why I depend so much on the capacity of the terminal. Which is why clickable links are essential, thus the whole reason for the email in the first place! :D From mattack at apple.com Thu Jul 1 16:41:13 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > You are running alpine on your local machine. I am running it on a colocated > box 3000 miles away, where alpine has no idea what is in the local filesystem > of the machine connected to the keyboard where I'm sitting. ok.. Though I actually have it installed on a network volume, so I don't have to rebuild/reinstall it when I upgrade OSes. Since alpine is so easy to compile, maybe you could try building it locally to see if it alleviates the (IMHO cumbersome) steps you go through to get things like attachments. this is getting tangential though, sorry. From danm at prime.gushi.org Thu Jul 1 17:01:36 2010 From: danm at prime.gushi.org (Dan Mahoney, System Admin) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >> You are running alpine on your local machine. I am running it on a colocated >> box 3000 miles away, where alpine has no idea what is in the local filesystem >> of the machine connected to the keyboard where I'm sitting. > > ok.. Though I actually have it installed on a network volume, so I don't > have to rebuild/reinstall it when I upgrade OSes. Since alpine is so easy to > compile, maybe you could try building it locally to see if it alleviates the > (IMHO cumbersome) steps you go through to get things like attachments. That would introduce a whole new class of problems. Lack of local mail spool, need for additional bandwidth, slowness of opening existing folders, etc. Also, I'm on win32, and the native program for that (pc-alpine) is limited. Without getting into a holy war over OSes, I like what I have. My reply was more to bikefridaywalter, who said that he simply uses the "preview" open function, which I was attempting to state does not apply to everyone. I only have what's available on the server (and I prefer not to tunnel X-apps). At any rate, I could easily build a quick url-shortener in perl that accomplishes both the problems of opening attachments as well as the problems of opening urls. I just fought for a weekend to get my mail spool under control, so this seems like a worthwhile next-step. PuttyTray also seems useful, as Simon Tatham hasn't released anything new in putty in a while. Right now, the directory I save things to is wide-open, which is suboptimal. In a perfect world there'd be some kind of apache module that would permit access only if an ssh session also existed from an ip. -Dan -- --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From damion.yates at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 02:49:36 2010 From: damion.yates at gmail.com (damion.yates@gmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, bikefridaywalter@gmail.com wrote: > Two settings need to be tweaked if you want to be able to view URLs > embedded in messages sent to you. First, you need to enable > enable-msg-view-urls option. Second, tell the url-viewers option > about open: > > url-viewers="/usr/bin/open _URL_" > > (I don't use this feature because I'm not always accessing alpine with > OS X) As I access both locally and remotely, I have the following as my url browsing script: #!/bin/sh #ideally this would be nice sh code to check argv[0] and act accordingly #I'll just duplicate code for the moment :( if pgrep xlock ; then clear /bin/echo -e '\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n' echo $@ sleep 5 else firefox $@ fi I'm using screen so DISPLAY tends to remain set, but xlock is the indicator as to whether I'm local or not. The URL is displayed for 5 seconds which is ample time for me to select and paste, or click directly if the terminal supports it (which my n900 does). Damion From scf at FreeBSD.org Fri Jul 2 07:33:31 2010 From: scf at FreeBSD.org (Sean C. Farley) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] full URLs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: >> On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >>> I actually wanted to write up a spec for this, i.e. a way that >>> terminal windows could push urls to client systems, >> >> On OS X, I can just "open URL", but for some reason it doesn't work >> very well. I went back and forth with Eduardo a while about it, but >> we couldn't figure out the issue (AFAIR, he couldn't ever reproduce >> it). >> >>> annoying in this way, and because to view an attachment someone >>> sends me, I have to save it locally and then download via HTTP in >>> another window. >> >> ok, at least for attachments in emails, I can also usually just view >> attachment, which then opens them in the GUI program responsible >> (e.g. Preview for PDFs or images). > > You are running alpine on your local machine. I am running it on a > colocated box 3000 miles away, where alpine has no idea what is in the > local filesystem of the machine connected to the keyboard where I'm > sitting. I have this in my .pinerc to allow the same file to be used on my workstation as well as my gateway, if needed: url-viewers=_TEST("test -n '${SSH_CONNECTION}'")_ "/usr/local/bin/w3m", _TEST("test -n '${DISPLAY}'")_ "/usr/local/bin/firefox _URL_ > /dev/null 2>&1 &", _TEST("test -n '${DISPLAY}'")_ "/usr/local/bin/opera -newpage _URL_ > /dev/null 2>&1 &", _TEST("test -n '${DISPLAY}' -a -x /usr/local/bin/w3m")_ "/usr/local/bin/xterm +sb -T W3M -n W3M -g 135x45 -e /usr/local/bin/w3m _URL_ > /dev/null 2>&1 &", "/usr/local/bin/w3m" The first one will run w3m if I am connected remotely. If you just want a quick grab of the URL, how about a shell script to echo the _URL_ and wait on a read until you hit enter: Untested script: ---------------------------- #!/bin/sh echo "${@}" read nothing ---------------------------- Sean -- scf@FreeBSD.org From miceke at valachnet.cz Sat Jul 3 06:23:55 2010 From: miceke at valachnet.cz (Emil Micek) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] disabling "sent message folder renaming" Message-ID: Hi, it is possible to disable the "move sent messages from last month to separate folder" question which pops up on me on the start of every month? The preselected answer is 'Y' and it is very easy to accidently overlook the question and confirm it by hitting enter (it happened to me several times). I searched the settings section but haven't found any option to disable this question. Regards Emil Micek. From rick+alpine at helix.nih.gov Sat Jul 3 06:34:08 2010 From: rick+alpine at helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] disabling "sent message folder renaming" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Set Last Time Prune Questioned to something in the future, e.g. 111.10 --rdt Today (07/03/10) at 15:23 +0200, Emil Micek wrote: > Hi, > > it is possible to disable the "move sent messages from last month to > separate folder" question which pops up on me on the start of every > month? > > The preselected answer is 'Y' and it is very easy to accidently > overlook the question and confirm it by hitting enter (it happened to > me several times). > > I searched the settings section but haven't found any option to > disable this question. > > Regards > > Emil Micek. From chappa at u.washington.edu Sat Jul 3 07:42:23 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] disabling "sent message folder renaming" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Jul 2010, Emil Micek wrote: :) it is possible to disable the "move sent messages from last month to :) separate folder" question which pops up on me on the start of every :) month? Press M S C and set the value of the option Pruning Rule = Set Rule Values --- ---------------------- (*) ask about rename, ask about deleting (default) ( ) ask about rename, don't delete ( ) always rename, ask about deleting ( ) always rename, don't delete ( ) don't rename, ask about deleting ( ) don't rename, don't delete to its desired value. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From nhepburn at ualberta.ca Tue Jul 6 08:23:28 2010 From: nhepburn at ualberta.ca (Neil Hepburn) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] configuration question Message-ID: Greetings I am new to Alpine and am trying to configure it to work with my university's IMAP mail servers. I have everything working except saving stuff to the server. For example, I would like it to save copies of sent mail (FCC) to the sent-mail folder on the IMAP server. I would also like to save/move messages from the inbox to other folders on the IMAP server. However, I am only able to save them locally in the Mail folder on my local machine. Since I work from two or three different computers, I would like to keep everything on the IMAP server. Is this possible? If so, what I am I missing? Cheers, Neil ====================================================== Neil Hepburn, Economics Lecturer Department of Social Sciences, Augustana Faculty the University of Alberta Camrose, Alberta Phone: 780.679.1588 email: nhepburn@ualberta.ca From tk-gmane+at at idpax.com Tue Jul 6 08:32:59 2010 From: tk-gmane+at at idpax.com (Tim K. (Gmane)) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Sync Google Contacts with Alpine address book Message-ID: Greetings! Has anyone figured out a way to sync the Alpine address book with Google Contacts? I already store my address book in an IMAP folder in my Gmail account via the facilities provided by Alpine, but it's annoying that on the Gmail side I have to open an email message and search for an email address. I'm wondering if there are better solutions that could keep the 2 address books in sync. -- Tim From bl10 at cam.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 08:48:18 2010 From: bl10 at cam.ac.uk (Barry Landy) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] configuration question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, Neil Hepburn wrote: :>Greetings :> :>I am new to Alpine and am trying to configure it to work with my university's :>IMAP mail servers. I have everything working except saving stuff to the :>server. For example, I would like it to save copies of sent mail (FCC) to the :>sent-mail folder on the IMAP server. I would also like to save/move messages :>from the inbox to other folders on the IMAP server. However, I am only able to :>save them locally in the Mail folder on my local machine. Since I work from :>two or three different computers, I would like to keep everything on the IMAP :>server. Is this possible? If so, what I am I missing? You can set up a folder collection on the server M (enu) S (etup) L (coLlection) you then type in a name for the collection and the route to the server followed by your login name , eg imap.ualberta.ca/user=fred you can then create folders in that collection in the usual way, and save to them. default FCC can also go there. -- Barry Landy Home: +44-1223-570417 192, Gilbert Road College: +44-1223-472134 Cambridge CB4 3PB Efax: +44-870-458-0205 England Email BL10@cam.ac.uk From kap4lin at gmail.com Wed Jul 7 08:30:47 2010 From: kap4lin at gmail.com (kap4lin) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] configuration question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Barry Landy wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, Neil Hepburn wrote: > > :>Greetings > :> > :>I am new to Alpine and am trying to configure it to work with my university's > :>IMAP mail servers. ?I have everything working except saving stuff to the > :>server. For example, I would like it to save copies of sent mail (FCC) to the > :>sent-mail folder on the IMAP server. I would also like to save/move messages > :>from the inbox to other folders on the IMAP server. However, I am only able to > :>save them locally in the Mail folder on my local machine. Since I work from > :>two or three different computers, I would like to keep everything on the IMAP > :>server. Is this possible? If so, what I am I missing? > > You can set up a folder collection on the server > > M (enu) > S (etup) > L (coLlection) > you then type in a name for the collection and the route to the server > followed by your login name , eg > imap.ualberta.ca/user=fred Depending on the IMAP sever, user=neil@some.univ.edu/ssl is needed. These days, univs are 'outsourcing' their email servers to Google / Microsoft and we all know the quality of their IMAP implementation :( I've to use outlook.com, and it ain't good! Anyways, for FCC : M S C then change "Default Fcc" to {imap.some.univ.edu/user=neil@some.univ.edu/ssl}Sent (or whatever is you sent mail folder on the server. You may also want to set Postponed folder and Trash Folder similarly) -- Regards Kap4Lin -------------------------------------- http://counter.li.org #402424 From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jul 7 16:29:38 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Sync Google Contacts with Alpine address book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, Tim K. (Gmane) wrote: > Greetings! Has anyone figured out a way to sync the Alpine address book > with Google Contacts? I already store my address book in an IMAP folder > in my Gmail account via the facilities provided by Alpine, but it's > annoying that on the Gmail side I have to open an email message and > search for an email address. I'm wondering if there are better solutions > that could keep the 2 address books in sync. I haven't done it yet, but I plan to get into that. What I have been thinking of doing is getting all of my address-book records from Pine/Alpine into Google Contacts, merged with the stuf that is in there (originally from my old smart phone), then I would store everything on Google Contacts and use CSV download to periodically update my Alpine address book. What do you think? There are a few CSV formats for the Google Contacts. One problem I've had is that I used newlines in the Notes section in Google Contacts and these newlines make it hard to deal with the CSV -- I have multi-line records, but in an irregular kind of pattern. I know that I can fix the newline problem using some perl code, and create a script that will always convert the Google Contacts CSV file to the Alpine address book format, but I haven't done that yet and I'm not sure when I'll get to it. It will probably happen before summer ends. It will be nice if someone else beats me to it (or already has). By the way, see old tcsh scripts below that I still use to search my addressbook for information about individuals. I should probably convert them to bash or perl now that I know better how to write such scripts. Mike I call this one "person": #!/usr/bin/tcsh -f foreach N ( `perl -e 'undef $/ ; s/\n : / /gs' -p < ~/.addressbook | grep -En "$1" | grep -Ev ': ' | awk -F: '{print $1}'` ) perl -e 'undef $/ ; s/\n : / /gs' -p < ~/.addressbook | tail -n+$N | head -1 | fmt -w 75 perl -e 'undef $/ ; s/\n : / /gs' -p < ~/.addressbook | tail -n+$N | tail -n+2 | head -1 | grep -E '^ ' | sed 's/^ //g' | tr ';' '\n' /bin/echo -e "\n" end I call this one "comment": #!/usr/bin/tcsh -f foreach N ( `perl -e 'undef $/ ; s/\n : / /gs' -p < ~/.addressbook | grep -En "$1" | grep -E ': ' | awk -F: '{print $1 - 1}'` ) perl -e 'undef $/ ; s/\n : / /gs' -p < ~/.addressbook | tail -n+$N | head -1 | fmt -w 75 perl -e 'undef $/ ; s/\n : / /gs' -p < ~/.addressbook | tail -n+$N | tail -n+2 | head -1 | grep -E '^ ' | sed 's/^ //g' | tr ';' '\n' /bin/echo -e "\n" end From chris-barnes at tamu.edu Thu Jul 8 11:39:32 2010 From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildir - almost there (subfolders) Message-ID: <4C361B64.8090003@tamu.edu> I got alpine installed, and running - and have the maildir patch ALMOST working perfectly. According to the website at http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/info/courier.html, I added the line folder-collections= Folders #mc/Maildir/[] to the pine.conf file. This seems to work, as I can look at my folder list, goto "Folders" and I see all of my folders. My problem is that I have a couple of folders that have sub-folders under them. They are showing up as: archive[.] (the name of the folder is "archive"). If I select just the word "archive", it properly shows me the few messages in the top-level folder. If I select the "[.]" however (what I presume are the subfolders), the list is blank and I get a message at the bottom that says "Now in EMPTY directory: #mc/Maildir/archive." How can I get this to show me my SUB-folders too? -- Chris Barnes AOL IM: CNBarnes chris-barnes@tamu.edu Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes Computer Systems Manager MSN IM: chris@txbarnes.com Department of Physics ph: 979-845-1379 Texas A&M University fax: 979-845-2590 From alpine at benizi.com Thu Jul 8 11:53:20 2010 From: alpine at benizi.com (Benjamin R. Haskell) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildir - almost there (subfolders) In-Reply-To: <4C361B64.8090003@tamu.edu> References: <4C361B64.8090003@tamu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Chris Barnes wrote: > I got alpine installed, and running - and have the maildir patch > ALMOST working perfectly. > > According to the website at > http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/info/courier.html, I added > the line > folder-collections= Folders #mc/Maildir/[] > to the pine.conf file. > > > This seems to work, as I can look at my folder list, goto "Folders" > and I see all of my folders. My problem is that I have a couple of > folders that have sub-folders under them. They are showing up as: > > archive[.] > > (the name of the folder is "archive"). If I select just the word > "archive", it properly shows me the few messages in the top-level > folder. > > > If I select the "[.]" however (what I presume are the subfolders), the > list is blank and I get a message at the bottom that says > "Now in EMPTY directory: #mc/Maildir/archive." > > > How can I get this to show me my SUB-folders too? > How are your subfolders set up? From the description of the patch on that page, it's unclear what the patch expects them to be named, but there are various options (since the original spec for Maildir[1] doesn't specify): e.g., Dovecot by default uses within ~/Maildir/: /.Foldername - sub Maildir called 'Foldername' /.Folder.Sub2.Sub3 - Sub2 is a child of Folder, Sub3 is a child of Sub2 But, v2.0+ can also be configured to use actual hierarchies[2]: /Foldername - sub Maildir called 'Foldername' /Folder/Sub2/Sub3 - Sub2 is a child of Folder, Sub3 is a child of Sub2 I wonder if the patch handles either of these two variants (.a.b.c or a/b/c)? Eduardo? -- Best, Ben [1] http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html [2] http://wiki2.dovecot.org/MailLocation/Maildir From chris-barnes at tamu.edu Thu Jul 8 12:30:13 2010 From: chris-barnes at tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildir - almost there (subfolders) In-Reply-To: References: <4C361B64.8090003@tamu.edu> Message-ID: <4C362745.1080301@tamu.edu> On 7/8/2010 1:53 PM, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: > How are your subfolders set up? From the description of the patch on > that page, it's unclear what the patch expects them to be named, but > there are various options (since the original spec for Maildir[1] > doesn't specify): > > e.g., Dovecot by default uses within ~/Maildir/: > /.Foldername - sub Maildir called 'Foldername' > /.Folder.Sub2.Sub3 - Sub2 is a child of Folder, Sub3 is a child of Sub2 This way ^^^ -- Chris Barnes AOL IM: CNBarnes chris-barnes@tamu.edu Yahoo IM: chrisnbarnes Computer Systems Manager MSN IM: chris@txbarnes.com Department of Physics ph: 979-845-1379 Texas A&M University fax: 979-845-2590 From jbastian at redhat.com Thu Jul 8 12:38:59 2010 From: jbastian at redhat.com (Jeff Bastian) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Sync Google Contacts with Alpine address book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, Tim K. (Gmane) wrote: > Greetings! Has anyone figured out a way to sync the Alpine address book with > Google Contacts? I haven't tried to integrate it into alpine, but there's a goobook program that can query your Google Contacts (using the Google Data APIs) and generate abook style output (for mutt). From there it should be easy to use abook to convert to alpine's address book format (abook has built in methods for format conversion). goobook's home is http://code.google.com/p/goobook/ It requires the gdata Python client libraries http://code.google.com/p/gdata-python-client/ Once I got both installed and created a ~/.goobookrc file with my account info I was able to query my contacts (names and addresses changed to protect the innocent): $ /usr/local/bin/goobook query Smith Password: johnsmith@mailinator.com John Smith home groups: "System Group: Friends" janesmith@mailinator.com Jane Smith home groups: "System Group: Friends" Jeff From chappa at u.washington.edu Thu Jul 8 17:03:36 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildir - almost there (subfolders) In-Reply-To: <4C361B64.8090003@tamu.edu> References: <4C361B64.8090003@tamu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Chris Barnes wrote: :) According to the website at :) http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/info/courier.html, I added :) the line :) folder-collections= Folders #mc/Maildir/[] :) to the pine.conf file. errr... I do not see that in my website. Hmm... could it be that you are confused. Could you tell me where it says that? The reason I ask, is because it seems you have missed the most important part of the configuration, which is the trailing period. Quoting from my web page: folder-collections="Anything you want" #mc/INBOX.[] Do you see the period between INBOX and []? That is very important. It tells Alpine that the hierarchy separator is a period. Per your configuration the separator is "/". Does adding the period work better? If I recall correctly, you should add that period by editing your .pinerc, rather than by using the configuration screen. If you go back to my web page, you will see the period after the slash, as in "#mc/Maildir/.". I hope this helps. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From jeb at joshuacorps.org Sat Jul 10 14:34:44 2010 From: jeb at joshuacorps.org (Jonathan E. Brickman) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Saving passwords Message-ID: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> Tried both the Fedora 13 repo binary and compiling from source, and it still won't save passwords to my ~/.pine-passfile . Has saving passwords been removed in 2.0? J.E.B. From chappa at u.washington.edu Sat Jul 10 15:18:26 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Saving passwords In-Reply-To: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> References: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, Jonathan E. Brickman wrote: :) Tried both the Fedora 13 repo binary and compiling from source, and it :) still won't save passwords to my ~/.pine-passfile . Has saving :) passwords been removed in 2.0? So, could you explain how you configured Alpine to make it save passwords? I know nothing about Fedora, but you may want to take this issue to their Bugzilla, if that is not working. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From dougb at FreeBSD.org Sat Jul 10 15:28:47 2010 From: dougb at FreeBSD.org (Doug Barton) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Saving passwords In-Reply-To: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> References: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> Message-ID: <4C38F41F.4060607@FreeBSD.org> On 07/10/10 14:34, Jonathan E. Brickman wrote: > Tried both the Fedora 13 repo binary and compiling from source, and it > still won't save passwords to my ~/.pine-passfile . Has saving > passwords been removed in 2.0? The support is still there. When you compiled it, did you use the --with-passfile argument to configure? If not, the support will not be there. If you want the file to be as you described, you would use: --with-passfile=.pine-passfile Then, _before_ you start alpine do: touch ~/.pine-passfile Then when you start alpine and do something that requires a password alpine will ask if you want to store it. hth, Doug -- ... and that's just a little bit of history repeating. -- Propellerheads Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover! http://SupersetSolutions.com/ From jeb at joshuacorps.org Sat Jul 10 16:34:19 2010 From: jeb at joshuacorps.org (Jonathan E. Brickman) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Saving passwords In-Reply-To: <4C38F41F.4060607@FreeBSD.org> References: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> <4C38F41F.4060607@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <1278804859.2575.0.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> Ah, so the default is without passfile support! Got it. I'll try your steps next. J.E.B. On Sat, 2010-07-10 at 15:28 -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > On 07/10/10 14:34, Jonathan E. Brickman wrote: > > Tried both the Fedora 13 repo binary and compiling from source, and it > > still won't save passwords to my ~/.pine-passfile . Has saving > > passwords been removed in 2.0? > > The support is still there. > > When you compiled it, did you use the --with-passfile argument to > configure? If not, the support will not be there. If you want the file > to be as you described, you would use: --with-passfile=.pine-passfile > > Then, _before_ you start alpine do: touch ~/.pine-passfile > > Then when you start alpine and do something that requires a password > alpine will ask if you want to store it. > > > hth, > > Doug > From jeb at joshuacorps.org Sat Jul 10 16:49:38 2010 From: jeb at joshuacorps.org (Jonathan E. Brickman) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Saving passwords In-Reply-To: <4C38F41F.4060607@FreeBSD.org> References: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> <4C38F41F.4060607@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: Working beautifully! Thanks! J.E.B. On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, Doug Barton wrote: > On 07/10/10 14:34, Jonathan E. Brickman wrote: >> Tried both the Fedora 13 repo binary and compiling from source, and it >> still won't save passwords to my ~/.pine-passfile . Has saving >> passwords been removed in 2.0? > > The support is still there. > > When you compiled it, did you use the --with-passfile argument to > configure? If not, the support will not be there. If you want the file > to be as you described, you would use: --with-passfile=.pine-passfile > > Then, _before_ you start alpine do: touch ~/.pine-passfile > > Then when you start alpine and do something that requires a password > alpine will ask if you want to store it. > > > hth, > > Doug > > -- > > ... and that's just a little bit of history repeating. > -- Propellerheads > > Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with > a domain name makeover! http://SupersetSolutions.com/ > > From jeff at jeff.net Sat Jul 10 20:52:02 2010 From: jeff at jeff.net (Jeff LaCoursiere) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] migration to IMAP Message-ID: Hi, I have been running pine and then alpine for over a decade but always with mbox folders. I've carried around this growing pile of mbox files for so long now it has gotten pretty huge - around 20G. I recently built a new mail server that is courier IMAP based, and all of the mail is now delivered by postfix looking up details in mysql tables. This results in all the mail for all real users being delivered into a single management user's home directory, and all access is via IMAP for the small set of users including myself. I managed to get alpine running against this IMAP server and am happily able to work with my mail, but my giant 20G of old mbox files I am not sure what to do with. I think I understand that I could put them in my own home directory on this machine and access them as before, but in that case the IMAP server will not know about them, and if I want to use any other fancy tools (like my iphone) to access my mail, it won't be able to get to these old folders. So I need to somehow convert the mbox files to this new IMAP format, which I am pretty sure is 'maildir'. Can anyone point me to tools to do this? Thanks! -- Jeff LaCoursiere SunFone jeff@sunfone.com jeff@jeff.net From danm at prime.gushi.org Sat Jul 10 20:54:45 2010 From: danm at prime.gushi.org (Dan Mahoney, System Admin) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] migration to IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: > > Hi, > > I have been running pine and then alpine for over a decade but always with > mbox folders. I've carried around this growing pile of mbox files for so > long now it has gotten pretty huge - around 20G. > > I recently built a new mail server that is courier IMAP based, and all of the > mail is now delivered by postfix looking up details in mysql tables. This > results in all the mail for all real users being delivered into a single > management user's home directory, and all access is via IMAP for the small > set of users including myself. > > I managed to get alpine running against this IMAP server and am happily able > to work with my mail, but my giant 20G of old mbox files I am not sure what > to do with. I think I understand that I could put them in my own home > directory on this machine and access them as before, but in that case the > IMAP server will not know about them, and if I want to use any other fancy > tools (like my iphone) to access my mail, it won't be able to get to these > old folders. > > So I need to somehow convert the mbox files to this new IMAP format, which I > am pretty sure is 'maildir'. Can anyone point me to tools to do this? This is a better question for the courier mailing lists, but in general, I *think* mailutil (which comes with alpine but is not built by default) can do this. As can a number of other utilities. -Dan -- "Ca. Tas. Tro. Phy." -John Smedley, March 28th 1998, 3AM --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From chappa at u.washington.edu Sat Jul 10 21:00:29 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] migration to IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: :) > I am pretty sure is 'maildir'. Can anyone point me to tools to do :) > this? :) :) This is a better question for the courier mailing lists, but in :) general, I *think* mailutil (which comes with alpine but is not built :) by default) can do this. As can a number of other utilities. Two corrections. mailutil can not do this, unless it is patched (the patch is in my web page, and instructions appear there on how to to this), and yes mailutil is built by default when you compile Alpine. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From ruskie at codemages.net Sun Jul 11 01:46:57 2010 From: ruskie at codemages.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andra=C5=BE_'ruskie'_Levstik?=) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] migration to IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: :2010-07-11T03:52:Jeff LaCoursiere: > So I need to somehow convert the mbox files to this new IMAP format, which I > am pretty sure is 'maildir'. Can anyone point me to tools to do this? You could: a) add the mboxes to alpine then copy stuff to the IMAP server within alpine b) use any of the myriad of scripts that are on the net for converting mbox to Maildir ;) http://untroubled.org/mbox2maildir http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/ I would assume courier has some script somewhere as well to do it. Regards -- Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik Source Mage GNU/Linux Games/Xorg grimoire guru Re-Alpine Coordinator http://sourceforge.net/projects/re-alpine/ Geek/Hacker/Tinker Ryle hira. From mattack at apple.com Mon Jul 12 11:15:42 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Saving passwords In-Reply-To: <1278804859.2575.0.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> References: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> <4C38F41F.4060607@FreeBSD.org> <1278804859.2575.0.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, Jonathan E. Brickman wrote: >Ah, so the default is without passfile support! Got it. I'll try your steps >next. The default is without passfile support, because that password file is not secure. From mattack at apple.com Mon Jul 12 11:21:32 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] migration to IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: >:2010-07-11T03:52:Jeff LaCoursiere: > >> So I need to somehow convert the mbox files to this new IMAP format, which I >> am pretty sure is 'maildir'. Can anyone point me to tools to do this? > >You could: >a) add the mboxes to alpine then copy stuff to the IMAP server within > alpine Yeah. IIRC, you would have to turn on collections and 'aggregate commands', and have one collection for your local mbox mailbox, and one for your IMAP account. So then you'd go into the mbox mailbox, ;a (select all), then AS (apply save) and navigate to your IMAP account.. Then it would copy all of the messages into your IMAP account. Probably would take a long time.. but it should work. From jeff at jeff.net Mon Jul 12 12:35:35 2010 From: jeff at jeff.net (Jeff LaCoursiere) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] migration to IMAP Message-ID: On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 11:21 -0700, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: > >:2010-07-11T03:52:Jeff LaCoursiere: > > > >> So I need to somehow convert the mbox files to this new IMAP format, which I > >> am pretty sure is 'maildir'. Can anyone point me to tools to do this? > > > >You could: > >a) add the mboxes to alpine then copy stuff to the IMAP server within > > alpine > > Yeah. IIRC, you would have to turn on collections and 'aggregate commands', > and have one collection for your local mbox mailbox, and one for your IMAP > account. > > So then you'd go into the mbox mailbox, ;a (select all), then AS (apply save) > and navigate to your IMAP account.. Then it would copy all of the messages > into your IMAP account. > > Probably would take a long time.. but it should work. Hi All, I did manage to use a perl script (mb2md) to convert all my old mbox files. I had to then manually move the resulting maildir tree and chown them to the "vmail" account, and it is all working. I did have to recreate the subscription file as well, but that is a courier issue. I'm having a few annoying problems though. This is the first time I have ever run (al)pine as an IMAP client, and perhaps I just don't have it setup right. The most annoying is that I now have two "mail" collections - one local, and one IMAP. It seems that whenever I send a message it is saved in the "sent-mail" folder locally, and I can't figure out how to have it saved in the IMAP sent-mail folder instead. Is this just an option somewhere? I'd like all the different IMAP clients that I might use have access to the sent-mail of all the others... The second most annoying is that when I want to move a message into a folder from my inbox, it is only giving me the "local" collection as the default, and I have to hit N to switch to the IMAP collection before typing the name. Is there a setting to change this default? The last issue (so far!) is that my IMAP folder collection contains odd entries next to each folder name of [.], and as I use the arrow keys to move between them I have to pass over these odd entries. What are they and how can I remove them? Thanks! Jeff LaCoursiere jeff@sunfone.com jeff@jeff.net From mattack at apple.com Mon Jul 12 12:40:57 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] migration to IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: > The most annoying is that I now have two "mail" collections - one local, > and one IMAP. It seems that whenever I send a message it is saved in > the "sent-mail" folder locally, and I can't figure out how to have it > saved in the IMAP sent-mail folder instead. Is this just an option > somewhere? I'd like all the different IMAP clients that I might use have > access to the sent-mail of all the others... OPTION: Default Fcc (File carbon copy) This value specifies where a copy of outgoing mail should be saved. If this is not a path name, it will be in the default collection for saves. Any valid folder specification, local or IMAP, is allowed. This default folder carbon copy only applies when the "Fcc Name Rule" is set to use the default folder. Unix Alpine default is normally "sent-mail" in the default folder collection. If you access your email through an IMAP server, especially if you often switch between Unix Alpine and PC-Alpine, or between various desktop email systems, you may want to set this to a folder on your IMAP server (remember that in order to later access this remote folder through Alpine, it must be in a folder collection. See Folder Collections Explained for more information). An example: {monet.art.example.com}mail/sent-mail From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jul 12 13:25:39 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Saving passwords In-Reply-To: References: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> <4C38F41F.4060607@FreeBSD.org> <1278804859.2575.0.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010, Jonathan E. Brickman wrote: > >> Ah, so the default is without passfile support! Got it. I'll try your >> steps next. > > The default is without passfile support, because that password file is > not secure. I was wondering. Someone said one should do this... touch ~/.pine-passfile ...but that doesn't normally chmod 600. Does alpine automatically do chmod 600 to the passfile if it isn't already 600? Putting passwords into a file with chmod 600 is usually OK with me. It depends on what the password is for, but I think if someone has gotten that far into my system, I'm pretty badly screwed. They are already reading/copying my email, if they want to. Mike From chappa at u.washington.edu Mon Jul 12 14:04:10 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] migration to IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: :) The most annoying is that I now have two "mail" collections - one :) local, and one IMAP. It seems that whenever I send a message it is :) saved in the "sent-mail" folder locally, and I can't figure out how to :) have it saved in the IMAP sent-mail folder instead. If your main collection for saving messages will be the one in the imap server, then my advice is that you switch the order of those collections. Alpine makes the first collection the one where it will look for the sent-mail, saved-messages, etc. folders. You can switch the order of the collections by pressing M S L, and the using the "$" command to shuffle the order of them. :) The last issue (so far!) is that my IMAP folder collection contains odd :) entries next to each folder name of [.], and as I use the arrow keys to :) move between them I have to pass over these odd entries. What are they :) and how can I remove them? This means that the folders (as reported by the server) have children (subfolders). If you put the cursor over any of these "[.]", you will be able to open the subfolder. You might want to take a look at the option [X] Separate Folder and Directory Entries and see if that works better for you. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From chappa at u.washington.edu Mon Jul 12 14:08:44 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Saving passwords In-Reply-To: References: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> <4C38F41F.4060607@FreeBSD.org> <1278804859.2575.0.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Mike Miller wrote: :) I was wondering. Someone said one should do this... :) :) touch ~/.pine-passfile :) :) ...but that doesn't normally chmod 600. Does alpine automatically do :) chmod 600 to the passfile if it isn't already 600? Yes, it does, and this is done for every single time that the file does not have the "proper" protection. :) Putting passwords into a file with chmod 600 is usually OK with me. :) It depends on what the password is for, but I think if someone has :) gotten that far into my system, I'm pretty badly screwed. They are :) already reading/copying my email, if they want to. They can also send a lot of spam on your behalf, or try to use your account to exploit bugs in the mail server, etc. This is not a minor issue. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From jeff at jeff.net Mon Jul 12 14:39:38 2010 From: jeff at jeff.net (Jeff LaCoursiere) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] migration to IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: > > :) The most annoying is that I now have two "mail" collections - one > :) local, and one IMAP. It seems that whenever I send a message it is > :) saved in the "sent-mail" folder locally, and I can't figure out how to > :) have it saved in the IMAP sent-mail folder instead. > > If your main collection for saving messages will be the one in the imap > server, then my advice is that you switch the order of those collections. > Alpine makes the first collection the one where it will look for the > sent-mail, saved-messages, etc. folders. You can switch the order of the > collections by pressing M S L, and the using the "$" command to shuffle > the order of them. Perfect! That did the trick! > > :) The last issue (so far!) is that my IMAP folder collection contains odd > :) entries next to each folder name of [.], and as I use the arrow keys to > :) move between them I have to pass over these odd entries. What are they > :) and how can I remove them? > > This means that the folders (as reported by the server) have children > (subfolders). If you put the cursor over any of these "[.]", you will be > able to open the subfolder. > > You might want to take a look at the option > > [X] Separate Folder and Directory Entries > Hmm, that made a bigger mess somehow. Now I have each folder listed and right next to it the same folder name with a '.' prepended. I understand what it means, though, and this also sounds like it may be a Courier issue. I'll write back to the list if I figure it out, for posterity. Cheers, j From robin.listas at telefonica.net Mon Jul 12 16:09:24 2010 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags Message-ID: Hi, I tried the other day Alpine with NNTP (leafnode server). The problem, big problem, is that when I leave a group and look at another, then back, all the read marks have dissapeared. It thinks all messages are new. It is impossible to read large groups, I can't remember every single messages I already read. Is there a trick to make that work? Is it a bug? I'm using alpine-2.00-51.3.x86_64 in openSUSE. Perhaps re-alpine has this solved? -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jul 12 16:16:03 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Saving passwords In-Reply-To: References: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> <4C38F41F.4060607@FreeBSD.org> <1278804859.2575.0.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > :) Putting passwords into a file with chmod 600 is usually OK with me. > :) It depends on what the password is for, but I think if someone has > :) gotten that far into my system, I'm pretty badly screwed. They are > :) already reading/copying my email, if they want to. > > They can also send a lot of spam on your behalf, or try to use your > account to exploit bugs in the mail server, etc. This is not a minor > issue. It's a minor part of having someone break into my computer and access all of my files with my level of permissions. That is what we are talking about, right? Is there another way for someone to read my chmod=600 file without having my permissions? Mike From mattack at apple.com Mon Jul 12 17:03:06 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I tried the other day Alpine with NNTP (leafnode server). The problem, big > problem, is that when I leave a group and look at another, then back, all the > read marks have dissapeared. It thinks all messages are new. It is impossible > to read large groups, I can't remember every single messages I already read. are you 'deleting' messages? I haven't used pine/alpine for Usenet in a very long time, but IIRC, it uses the same interface, so I'd call it a "mail" interface.. and IIRC, you have to delete messages for them to go away (remember that you've read them). From robin.listas at telefonica.net Mon Jul 12 17:30:23 2010 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> I tried the other day Alpine with NNTP (leafnode server). The problem, big >> problem, is that when I leave a group and look at another, then back, all the >> read marks have dissapeared. It thinks all messages are new. It is impossible >> to read large groups, I can't remember every single messages I already read. > > are you 'deleting' messages? I haven't used pine/alpine for Usenet in a > very long time, but IIRC, it uses the same interface, so I'd call it a > "mail" interface.. and IIRC, you have to delete messages for them to go away > (remember that you've read them). No, of course I don't delete anything, I may want to go back and read then again later. The same as for email, I never delete any email. And the read flag (ie, not "new" flag remains for ever. Or I can manually mark then new or not new, and it keeps. I don't know if you understand me. When I enter a mail folder, I see messages tagged "new". I read any of them, and the "N" mark dissapears. Then I exit the folder. When I go back to the same folder, the emails I read before still have the "read" status, ie, they don't have an "N" in the list: 129 Yesterday Matt Ackeret (5K) . Re: [Alpine-info] Sav 130 Yesterday Mike Miller (6K) . \-Re: [Alpine-info] N 131 Yesterday Eduardo Chappa (5K) . \-Re: [Alpine-info N 132 Yesterday Mike Miller (6K) \-Re: [Alpine-inf 133 Yesterday Matt Ackeret (6K) Re: [Alpine-info] mig I want the same behaviour in NNTP. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. From chappa at u.washington.edu Mon Jul 12 17:34:19 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Saving passwords In-Reply-To: References: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> <4C38F41F.4060607@FreeBSD.org> <1278804859.2575.0.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Mike Miller wrote: :) > They can also send a lot of spam on your behalf, or try to use your :) > account to exploit bugs in the mail server, etc. This is not a minor :) > issue. :) :) It's a minor part of having someone break into my computer and access :) all of my files with my level of permissions. That is what we are :) talking about, right? Is there another way for someone to read my :) chmod=600 file without having my permissions? Hmm we may be talking about something different. If anyone gets your password file (I think you call this the minor part), then they have access to your password file, and that may not be a minor thing, since it could really get you into trouble. Does that make sense? I do not mean to get off topic with this message, so if you want to talk about this issue, maybe we can talk about it off list. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From robin.listas at telefonica.net Mon Jul 12 17:45:21 2010 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Saving passwords In-Reply-To: References: <1278797684.6244.2.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> <4C38F41F.4060607@FreeBSD.org> <1278804859.2575.0.camel@youngdavid.lorinjebby.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Mike Miller wrote: > :) Putting passwords into a file with chmod 600 is usually OK with me. > :) It depends on what the password is for, but I think if someone has > :) gotten that far into my system, I'm pretty badly screwed. They are > :) already reading/copying my email, if they want to. > > They can also send a lot of spam on your behalf, or try to use your > account to exploit bugs in the mail server, etc. This is not a minor > issue. And they can read my .fetchmail file, that contains all my email passwords, anyway. And they can get my mail list passwords from the confirmation emails I got from several email lists, and post to them - like alpine-info? :-p . And perhaps saved bank accounts. Thousands of documents saved on disk. And... Hopefully, I might have remembered to keep those files into an encrypted partition. Or they can launch a dictionary attack on my ISP, to discover passwords. Actually my provider has warned that that we must use strong passwords, so they are attacking the server. Possibly with success. They don't use encripted connection to the imap server, anyway. I prefer to keep a strong, unrememberable, password into a file to automate connections, than using a weak password that I can remember. Anyway, I tried the feature and it doesn't work. Does it need a recompile? I will have to do so ASAP, because that's the only reason I'm not using Alpine to read my imap folders, and use Thunderbird instead: that it remembers my passwords and I don't. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. From chappa at u.washington.edu Mon Jul 12 18:10:07 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: :) No, of course I don't delete anything, I may want to go back and read :) then again later. :) :) The same as for email, I never delete any email. And the read flag (ie, :) not "new" flag remains for ever. Or I can manually mark then new or not :) new, and it keeps. There are two problems, one is that NNTP (as a protocol) does not have any interface so *you* can remember read messages. The other problem is that the client (Alpine) does nothing to overcome this shortcoming in NNTP (well it's not really a shortcoming, since NNTP does not work on a per-user basis). Because of these two reasons, you can not save read messages. If you want a message not to appear again, then you have to delete it. Deleting, unlike what the name implies, does not delete the message. It simply excludes it from your view the next time you open the folder if it has not expired in the server. In case you would like to see again an excluded message that has not expired, you can always use the "&" command to unexclude it. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From robin.listas at telefonica.net Tue Jul 13 12:58:12 2010 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [ resent because of error ] On 2010-07-13 03:10, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > :) No, of course I don't delete anything, I may want to go back and read > :) then again later. > :) > :) The same as for email, I never delete any email. And the read flag (ie, > :) not "new" flag remains for ever. Or I can manually mark then new or not > :) new, and it keeps. > > There are two problems, one is that NNTP (as a protocol) does not have any > interface so *you* can remember read messages. The other problem is that > the client (Alpine) does nothing to overcome this shortcoming in NNTP > (well it's not really a shortcoming, since NNTP does not work on a > per-user basis). > > Because of these two reasons, you can not save read messages. If you want > a message not to appear again, then you have to delete it. Deleting, > unlike what the name implies, does not delete the message. It simply > excludes it from your view the next time you open the folder if it has not > expired in the server. In case you would like to see again an excluded > message that has not expired, you can always use the "&" command to > unexclude it. I understand, thank you for the explanation. Which means, of course, that I will have to keep using Thunderbird, Claws-Mail, Pan... all of them keep track of read messages. Forget Alpine for this. (It is not Usenet that I'm interested in. But it happens that openSUSE fora is gated to a non distributed NNTP server, and I'm much more comfortable using NNTP than a forum. I had forgotten this problem since years ago when I tried Usenet with Pine). -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Minas Tirith)) From robin.listas at telefonica.net Tue Jul 13 13:06:37 2010 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: <4C3C14BE.7060806@telefonica.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: Sorry, I posted to you in private instead of the list in error (this new computer is not fully configured). I reposted again to the list, but that one did not reach the list - I think that all emails I send to this list using Thunderbird dissapear, and those sent from Alpine do get posted, even though both use the same postfix MTA. Curious. I'll repost that email again [done] > :) Which means, of course, that I will have to keep using Thunderbird, > :) Claws-Mail, Pan... all of them keep track of read messages. Forget > :) Alpine for this. > > You could use alpine anyway, all you have to do is to get accostumed to > pressing "D" for each read message, that will make the message disappear > next time you read that newsgroup. I used Pine for years using this method > to read newsgroups, and it worked exactly the way you want it to work. No, that will not do, because I often have to go back in the thread for reference (it is a support forum). I can't have messages dissapear, I just need then marked "read". I like [Al]Pine, I have been using it for years, for email. I just thought that the NTTP side would have the same type of behaviour than the email side. Pity. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. From mattack at apple.com Tue Jul 13 13:16:32 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Which means, of course, that I will have to keep using Thunderbird, > Claws-Mail, Pan... all of them keep track of read messages. Forget Alpine for > this. well, you could use trn.. that was by far my favorite Usenet program. (I haven't had a news server in a long time..) I do think you're being nitpicky though... since you can very easily un-delete the messages, it really will "keep track" for you. (I don't actually say that trying to defend alpine for Usenet, because I personally only used it until I got trn working.) > (It is not Usenet that I'm interested in. But it happens that openSUSE fora > is gated to a non distributed NNTP server, and I'm much more comfortable > using NNTP than a forum. Wow, I actually would prefer the vast majority of mailing lists (even this one) be available via NNTP instead. (I do remember there's some free service that would do this, but a couple I was interested in signing up for that service, even though they're public lists, weren't allowed to be redistributed that way.) From ruskie at codemages.net Tue Jul 13 13:25:34 2010 From: ruskie at codemages.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andra=C5=BE_'ruskie'_Levstik?=) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: :2010-07-13T13:16:Matt Ackeret: > Wow, I actually would prefer the vast majority of mailing lists (even this > one) be available via NNTP instead. (I do remember there's some free > service that would do this, but a couple I was interested in signing up for > that service, even though they're public lists, weren't allowed to be > redistributed that way.) It is on the gmane ML2NNTP gateway. Have fun ;) -- Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik Source Mage GNU/Linux Games/Xorg grimoire guru Re-Alpine Coordinator http://sourceforge.net/projects/re-alpine/ Geek/Hacker/Tinker Ryle hira. From chappa at u.washington.edu Tue Jul 13 13:36:11 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: <4C3C14BE.7060806@telefonica.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: :) I like [Al]Pine, I have been using it for years, for email. I just :) thought that the NTTP side would have the same type of behaviour than :) the email side. Pity. Just for clarification purposes. Alpine is a client, and does what the server allows it to do. This is not to mean that this can not change, but it helps explain why you are seeing what you are seeing. It is not that the support for e-mail is different than the support for NNTP, it is that NNTP is different than e-mail, and Alpine does not hide this. Having said all of this, I understand your problem. The only suggestion I can give you is that you use a maildrop for each newsgroup you read (if that is doable/reasonable). A maildrop is simply a folder from where you can read your email. All posts from the NNTP server would be transferred to each folder upon opening the folder, you would read from the folder. This has the advantage that you could thread read messages also without the need to make them disappear. I have more information in my web page about maildrops, and how to configure them in case you want to go that route. I used to use one for comp.mail.pine, which would also allow me to retain old posts, and did not depend on the server keeping messages for me. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From bernamc at u.washington.edu Tue Jul 13 13:37:29 2010 From: bernamc at u.washington.edu (bernamc@u.washington.edu) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can I PLEASE be deleted from this thread? On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: > :2010-07-13T13:16:Matt Ackeret: > >> Wow, I actually would prefer the vast majority of mailing lists (even this >> one) be available via NNTP instead. (I do remember there's some free >> service that would do this, but a couple I was interested in signing up for >> that service, even though they're public lists, weren't allowed to be >> redistributed that way.) > > It is on the gmane ML2NNTP gateway. Have fun ;) > > -- > Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik > Source Mage GNU/Linux Games/Xorg grimoire guru > Re-Alpine Coordinator http://sourceforge.net/projects/re-alpine/ > Geek/Hacker/Tinker > > Ryle hira. From damion.yates at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 13:39:54 2010 From: damion.yates at gmail.com (damion.yates@gmail.com) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > Which means, of course, that I will have to keep using Thunderbird, > > Claws-Mail, Pan... all of them keep track of read messages. Forget > > Alpine for this. > > well, you could use trn.. that was by far my favorite Usenet program. > (I haven't had a news server in a long time..) I used tin, I too haven't had a news server where I work in years. > I do think you're being nitpicky though... since you can very easily > un-delete the messages, it really will "keep track" for you. How does that work? I saw mention of & but what does it do? undelete everything? How do you then tell what you read and what needs redeleting? > (I don't actually say that trying to defend alpine for Usenet, because > I personally only used it until I got trn working.) I remember getting it going out of curiosity and deciding quickly that it was nothing like tin/slrn/trn for news. Now I'm using alpine so much and now I have mutt style threading (it was very old pine I was playing at uni) I'd reconsider it if it kept some metadata for seen/unseen. Damion From mattack at apple.com Tue Jul 13 13:45:09 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, bernamc@u.washington.edu wrote: > Can I PLEASE be deleted from this thread? If you mean the mailing list, you signed up, so you have to unsubscribe. In alpine, it shows info at the bottom of every message about how to unsubscribe. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Alpine-info mailing list Alpine-info@u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info From robin.listas at telefonica.net Tue Jul 13 16:01:19 2010 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: <4C3C14BE.7060806@telefonica.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > :) I like [Al]Pine, I have been using it for years, for email. I just > :) thought that the NTTP side would have the same type of behaviour than > :) the email side. Pity. > > Just for clarification purposes. Alpine is a client, and does what the > server allows it to do. This is not to mean that this can not change, but > it helps explain why you are seeing what you are seeing. It is not that > the support for e-mail is different than the support for NNTP, it is that > NNTP is different than e-mail, and Alpine does not hide this. Yes, I see that. Sometimes I forget, that's all. > > Having said all of this, I understand your problem. The only suggestion I > can give you is that you use a maildrop for each newsgroup you read (if > that is doable/reasonable). A maildrop is simply a folder from where you > can read your email. All posts from the NNTP server would be transferred > to each folder upon opening the folder, you would read from the folder. > This has the advantage that you could thread read messages also without > the need to make them disappear. Hum, no thanks, too complex. I prefer using a gui client like Claws, it is much easier.:-) I was testing slrn a moment ago. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. From robin.listas at telefonica.net Tue Jul 13 16:23:44 2010 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> Which means, of course, that I will have to keep using Thunderbird, >> Claws-Mail, Pan... all of them keep track of read messages. Forget Alpine for >> this. > > well, you could use trn.. that was by far my favorite Usenet program. (I > haven't had a news server in a long time..) trn? It rings a bell... But nobody packages it in openSUSE. I looked it up in the wikipedia, and they say it is "a threading variant of rn". That's an old one...! Instead, I found "slrn". I tried it for a bit, and it barfed on a post I think uses utf-8. Ah, no, it is utf-16! Mmm... I don't like the interface very much. I'll try a bit more. I also found "tin", but there is a dependency problem which I have yet to solve before trying it. > I do think you're being nitpicky though... since you can very easily un-delete > the messages, it really will "keep track" for you. Well, yes, I'm "nitpicky". We all are, I'll bet :-P I'm sure we all have our pet preferenes and habits which we will not do without. I don't like that method of "deleting" posts. > (I don't actually say that trying to defend alpine for Usenet, because I > personally only used it until I got trn working.) Well, you see, you have your own preferences :-) >> (It is not Usenet that I'm interested in. But it happens that openSUSE fora >> is gated to a non distributed NNTP server, and I'm much more comfortable >> using NNTP than a forum. > > Wow, I actually would prefer the vast majority of mailing lists (even this > one) be available via NNTP instead. (I do remember there's some free > service that would do this, but a couple I was interested in signing up for > that service, even though they're public lists, weren't allowed to be > redistributed that way.) Yes, gmame does it. And someboy I know on the openSUSE lists runs his own inn server in order to see list emails as nntp instead... -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it Wed Jul 14 01:59:09 2010 From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> I tried the other day Alpine with NNTP (leafnode server). >> It thinks all messages are new. It is impossible >> to read large groups, I can't remember every single messages I already read. > > are you 'deleting' messages? I do use alpine (and pine before it) to reads usenet news, and I am extremely happy with it because it has the same mail interface, so I'm not lost in a maze of little forums all different :-) It is necessary to "delete" messages in order not to see them again when you come back to the same group. This deletion essentially marks them as read (I believe it uses your .newsrc file for this). They aren't deleted from the server, and you can recall them back at any time for view using the "&" command (of course until they expire on the NNTP server). Then you can also "undelete" them to mark them as unread. I have configured my alpine so that it prompts me whether I want to "delete" all messages when changing group. So in general what I do is, for each group, first skimming through the message index and deleting messages whose subject does not interest me, then I go back to the group index screen and re-enter the group. This prompts me "Re-open folder to check for new messages?". I reply yes, so that I see only messages which I have not deleted. Then I read the interesting ones, and delete them one by one (my delete advances to the next message), unless I want to keep them "in evidence". (I could also do Delete and eXpunge, but I found that for groups with lots of messages, when I have sorting and threading active, this takes longer than exiting and reentering the group) If I have messages in evidence I reply NO when prompted "Delete messages from ""? Otherwise I do not delete anything and tab to the next group and reply YES to "catch up" Alpine is a great piece of s/w, and does almost all you want, if you instruct it properly ! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Italian Research at risk. La Ricerca italiana a rischio ! see http://sax.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/WWW/Opinions/nobrain.html cfr. From D.H.Davis at bath.ac.uk Wed Jul 14 04:29:41 2010 From: D.H.Davis at bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: <4C3C14BE.7060806@telefonica.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > From: Eduardo Chappa > To: Carlos E. R. > Cc: alpine info > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:36:11 > Subject: Re: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags ... > Having said all of this, I understand your problem. The only > suggestion I can give you is that you use a maildrop for each > newsgroup you read (if that is doable/reasonable). A maildrop is > simply a folder from where you can read your email. All posts > from the NNTP server would be transferred to each folder upon > opening the folder, you would read from the folder. This has the > advantage that you could thread read messages also without the > need to make them disappear. > > I have more information in my web page about maildrops, and how to > configure them in case you want to go that route. I used to use > one for comp.mail.pine, which would also allow me to retain old > posts, and did not depend on the server keeping messages for me. See: ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/news/readers/newsfetch-1.21.tar.gz for a program that seems capable of fetching News and turning it into mail. There also seems to be a couple of suitable rpm's there for Linux users. I Haven't used this program so can't comment on how useful it is. I'm also only mentioning it for completeness. Alpine/pine maildrops seem to be the way to go. -- Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk Phone: +44 1225 386101 From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Wed Jul 14 11:35:22 2010 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Re: Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It would appear that on Jul 13, damion.yates-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public....: > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > > Which means, of course, that I will have to keep using Thunderbird, > > > Claws-Mail, Pan... all of them keep track of read messages. Forget > > > Alpine for this. > > > > well, you could use trn.. that was by far my favorite Usenet program. > > (I haven't had a news server in a long time..) > > I used tin, I too haven't had a news server where I work in years. > > > I do think you're being nitpicky though... since you can very easily > > un-delete the messages, it really will "keep track" for you. > > How does that work? I saw mention of & but what does it do? undelete > everything? How do you then tell what you read and what needs > redeleting? I to would like to know more about this "&" method... But even if it does undelete everything, you could protect your current read markings by making a backup of your .newsrc files. For example I read this list via gmane's NNTP gateway so If I wanted to see previously "deleted" messages I would first back-up ~/.newsrc-dough.gmane.org & ~/.newsrc-dough.gmane.org.old THEN use whatever method to undelete the old messages. copy anything I'm wanting to reference to a local folder, close alpine and restore the newsreel files. Restart alpine and my previous "read message" markings will have been restored... -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <*> <*> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From robin.listas at telefonica.net Wed Jul 14 12:32:46 2010 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine doesn't track nntp read tags In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 2010, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > >> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> I tried the other day Alpine with NNTP (leafnode server). >>> It thinks all messages are new. It is impossible >>> to read large groups, I can't remember every single messages I already >>> read. >> >> are you 'deleting' messages? ... > Alpine is a great piece of s/w, and does almost all you want, if you instruct > it properly ! I agree that Alpine is good (I use it), but, rather than change my work method, I'll use a software (for news) that matches my work method. That is, I use one of the several programs that do remember automatically what was read, without deleting them. Which means that I will not go about doing all sort of tricks like restoring .newsrc, nor undeleting all to see just one old article, configure an nntp to mail gateway, etc, in order to keep using alpine. Thanks, but no. I'll keep using Alpine for mail, with which I'm very confortable (at home and online, otherwise I have to use Thunderbird to use offline imap), but for news I'll keep using something else. Thanks :-) -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. From mattack at apple.com Thu Jul 15 19:46:05 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] [NULL ice in paint_index_line: reg index] Message-ID: Hmm, I seem to have gotten an email that causes this problem repeatedly. Has anybody ever heard of it? I don't suppose there's something I can do without building a debug alpine? From mattack at apple.com Thu Jul 15 19:49:02 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] [NULL ice in paint_index_line: reg index] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: >Hmm, I seem to have gotten an email that causes this problem repeatedly. > >Has anybody ever heard of it? > >I don't suppose there's something I can do without building a debug alpine? sorry, I guess my alpine does have debug info but I don't have the source. Breakpoint 1, paint_index_line (argice=0x0, line=26, msgno=5119, sfld=iStatus, pfld=iFromTo, afld=iNothing, entry=0x30121a0, cur=1, sel=0) at mailindx.c:1620 1620 in mailindx.c (gdb) bt Reading in symbols for alpine.c...done. #0 paint_index_line (argice=0x0, line=26, msgno=5119, sfld=iStatus, pfld=iFromTo, afld=iNothing, entry=0x30121a0, cur=1, sel=0) at mailindx.c:1620 #1 0x00080396 in update_index (state=0x1002000, screen=0xbfffce08) at mailindx.c:1535 #2 0x00081f15 in index_lister (state=0x1002000, cntxt=0xd10680, folder=0x10020c5 "suspected_spam", stream=0x1901020, msgmap=0x1900e10) at mailindx.c:452 #3 0x00083f0b in index_index_screen (state=0x1002000) at mailindx.c:256 #4 0x00026006 in main (argc=4, argv=0xbfffeb64) at alpine.c:1314 (gdb) is that useful to anybody? From beartooth at comcast.net Fri Jul 16 07:10:02 2010 From: beartooth at comcast.net (Beartooth) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine aborting Message-ID: When I call it up in a gnome terminal, it shows the usual main screen, asking my password. I type that in, and get this : 07898000-07899000 rw-p 00045000 fd:00 132592 /lib/ libfreebl3.so 07899000-0789d000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 08047000-08463000 r-xp 00000000 fd:00 138950 /usr/bin/alpine 08463000-084bb000 rw-p 0041b000 fd:00 138950 / usr/bin/alpine 084bb000-08566000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 0a454000-0a55c000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 [heap] b7500000-b7521000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 b7521000- b7600000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 b769f000-b789f000 r--p 00000000 fd:00 195711 /usr/ lib/locale/locale-archive b789f000-b78a5000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 b78a8000-b78a9000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 b78a9000-b78bd000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 b78bd000-b78c4000 r-- s 00000000 fd:00 180414 /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache b78c4000-b78c5000 rw- p 00000000 00:00 0 bfe7c000-bfe91000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 [stack] Aborted (core dumped) [btth@Hbsk2 ~]$ I suspect there's a lot more, but the display above doesn't let me scroll. Otoh, I can log into the same account via comcast.net under Firefox. Where is the problem, and what is to be done?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. From asheesh at asheesh.org Fri Jul 16 12:16:54 2010 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] [NULL ice in paint_index_line: reg index] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: > Hmm, I seem to have gotten an email that causes this problem repeatedly. > > Has anybody ever heard of it? > > I don't suppose there's something I can do without building a debug > alpine? Hi Matt, I haven't investigated the issue, but I can say that I see issues like this sometimes too. -- Asheesh. -- A day without sunshine is like a day without orange juice. From mattack at apple.com Fri Jul 16 12:30:22 2010 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] [NULL ice in paint_index_line: reg index] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2010, Matt Ackeret wrote: >> Hmm, I seem to have gotten an email that causes this problem repeatedly. >> >> Has anybody ever heard of it? >> >> I don't suppose there's something I can do without building a debug alpine? > > I haven't investigated the issue, but I can say that I see issues like this > sometimes too. Well, I now have seen it's 100% reproducible, and the other email showed the backtrace of where it's happening. I can still use that particular folder (it was routed into my suspected_spam folder), but I can't actually view that specific message. That message always shows up as the last numbered message. Even when newer messages come in, they come in before that one. I could probably view it with my phone and delete it to "fix" the problem, but I'll probably keep it in case someone else has some useful info and/or I get off my butt and try to debug it (probably next week when I'm on vacation one day, at the earliest). Though I realized, I'm using alpine 1.0, and should upgrade to see if it still happens. (Long ago I had a reproducible-for-me case where starting up alpine > 1.0 was a lot slower than with 1.0, but I could never narrow it down to a specific setting. I think at one point later I DID try the latest alpine, and the problem had either mostly or fully gone away.) From chappa at u.washington.edu Sat Jul 17 10:08:34 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine aborting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Beartooth wrote: :) I suspect there's a lot more, but the display above doesn't let me :) scroll. :) :) Where is the problem, and what is to be done?? A hunch. Try reinstalling Alpine and see if that cures the problem. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From bl10 at cam.ac.uk Sun Jul 18 10:09:43 2010 From: bl10 at cam.ac.uk (Barry Landy) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine on OS2 Message-ID: I dont know if any Alpine user out there is using OS2 and/or (more likely) Ecomstation these days. The person who picked up the baton of Pine/Alpine on OS2 (Nicholas Sheppard) is having to give up as he no longer has a suitable platform. Is anyone willing to take the sources from him? Alpine 2.0 is working fine under OS2 so it is not a large development effort. -- Barry Landy 192, Gilbert Road, Cambridge CB4 3PB From bl10 at cam.ac.uk Sun Jul 18 10:20:45 2010 From: bl10 at cam.ac.uk (Barry Landy) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] (Re-)Alpine (fwd) Message-ID: This is the email Nicholas Sheppard placed on ecomstation.apps -- Barry Landy Home: +44-1223-570417 192, Gilbert Road College: +44-1223-472134 Cambridge CB4 3PB Efax: +44-870-458-0205 England Email BL10@cam.ac.uk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 21:16:30 +1000 From: Nicholas Sheppard Newsgroups: ecomstation.apps Subject: (Re-)Alpine Hi all. For some years, I've been maintaining an OS/2 port of the Pine mail system developed at the University of Washington, more recently known as Alpine. The University of Washington itself no longer maintains Alpine, though some other folks have taken up the code under the name "Re-alpine" (http://re-alpine.sourceforge.net). I haven't done anything with Alpine since the University of Washington released its last version, so I'm wondering if (a) anyone is actually using Alpine for OS/2 any more; (b) anyone is interested in a Re-alpine for OS/2; and (c) if anyone else is interested in taking over the port? The existing OS/2 port supports the mail client, the POP and IMAP servers, the Pico text editor, and a few utility functions. Web Alpine does not work and may never work (I can compile it but I think it needs major modification to work under OS/2, if it can be made to work at all.) See http://www.zeta.org.au/~nps/software/alpine for more information. Let me know if you have any answers for the questions above. Nick S. From ruskie at codemages.net Sun Jul 18 10:46:52 2010 From: ruskie at codemages.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andra=C5=BE_'ruskie'_Levstik?=) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine on OS2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: :2010-07-18T18:09:Barry Landy: > I dont know if any Alpine user out there is using OS2 and/or (more likely) > Ecomstation these days. > > The person who picked up the baton of Pine/Alpine on OS2 (Nicholas Sheppard) > is having to give up as he no longer has a suitable platform. > > Is anyone willing to take the sources from him? > > Alpine 2.0 is working fine under OS2 so it is not a large development effort. If he wishes he can tarball the stuff and I'll establish a branch for it in the re-alpine git repo. Hopefully it's licensed the same as regular alpine. Regards -- Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik Source Mage GNU/Linux Games/Xorg grimoire guru Re-Alpine Coordinator http://sourceforge.net/projects/re-alpine/ Geek/Hacker/Tinker Don't forget: the future is now. It's just not widely distributed yet. From nps at zeta.org.au Mon Jul 19 00:51:38 2010 From: nps at zeta.org.au (Nicholas Sheppard) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine on OS2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010, Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: > If he wishes he can tarball the stuff and I'll establish a branch for > it in the re-alpine git repo. Do you want the whole alpine-2.00 tree modified for OS/2, or just the extra files and patches? My patches and instructions are at http://www.zeta.org.au/~nps/software/alpine/en/source.html. I haven't tried compiling Re-Alpine and, since I don't have a working OS/2 machine at the moment, I won't be able to try it any time soon. > Hopefully it's licensed the same as regular alpine. Yes it is, though compiling it depends on some other OS/2 ports that licensed under different terms. Nick S. From ruskie at codemages.net Mon Jul 19 00:58:06 2010 From: ruskie at codemages.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andra=C5=BE_'ruskie'_Levstik?=) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine on OS2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: :2010-07-19T17:51:Nicholas Sheppard: > Do you want the whole alpine-2.00 tree modified for OS/2, or just the extra > files and patches? My patches and instructions are at > http://www.zeta.org.au/~nps/software/alpine/en/source.html. Patches ought to be fine. I'll setup an os2 branch so if every anyone wants to play with it it's there and linked to the main branch as well. > I haven't tried compiling Re-Alpine and, since I don't have a working OS/2 > machine at the moment, I won't be able to try it any time soon. Ohh well. I played with OS/2 ages ago... It was nice(friend of mine had the original cds but never bothered installing it so I tried it). > Yes it is, though compiling it depends on some other OS/2 ports that licensed > under different terms. Well I take it those ports are available to those that want them. If there is a need to host them somewhere though I could probably setup a spot someplace. Thanks -- Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik Source Mage GNU/Linux Games/Xorg grimoire guru Re-Alpine Coordinator http://sourceforge.net/projects/re-alpine/ Geek/Hacker/Tinker Show them the ropes and soon they've used that rope to build a bridge to their future. From bober at wustl.edu Mon Jul 19 09:02:00 2010 From: bober at wustl.edu (Mark Bober) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine "Answered" flags after a mail migration Message-ID: Hello! Sorry if I'm missing the obvious answer, I may not be phrasing my question correctly to the fine manual. I've recently migrated a user using Alpine from local mbox folders to an IMAP server (Exchange 2003). The only major issue to come up is that all his messages marked 'Answered' had lost the flags - the "X-Status: A" is still in the message headers, but Alpine's not showing them. New messages he 'answers' are flagged fine. Is there any way to force Alpine to reindex/refresh existing message headers to restore the Answered flags? Thanks! Mark Bober bober@wustl.edu From chappa at u.washington.edu Mon Jul 19 10:18:52 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine "Answered" flags after a mail migration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jul 2010, Mark Bober wrote: :) I've recently migrated a user using Alpine from local mbox folders to :) an IMAP server (Exchange 2003). The only major issue to come up is that :) all his messages marked 'Answered' had lost the flags - the "X-Status: :) A" is still in the message headers, but Alpine's not showing them. New :) messages he 'answers' are flagged fine. The X-Status header is an internal header that is only processed/understood by products built using the c-client library. Since Exchange was not built with that library, there is no guarantee that this header will be understood by Exchange. What this means is that the transfer of messages must be made through the wire, so that Exchange can properly tag those messages as Answered. If after you have made the transfer (e.g. by using the Save command, through aggregate operations), and the messages are still not marked Answered, then the problem is with Exchange, and you should ask experts in Exchange about how to fix this. :) Is there any way to force Alpine to reindex/refresh existing message :) headers to restore the Answered flags? Here is a hunch. Use aggregate operations. Try the command ; T A "X-Status: A" and see if that selects any messages. If so, then you can execute A * A to mark them Answered. I do not recall the order of the flags in the X-Status header, so see if other combinations in the folder appear that are not caught by this command. -- Eduardo http://staff.washintgon.edu/chappa/alpine/ From alpine at kolla.no Mon Jul 19 10:53:24 2010 From: alpine at kolla.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Kolbj=C3=B8rn_Barmen?=) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine and OpenSSL 1.0 Message-ID: It seems that Alpine (1299 out of svn) does not build with OpenSSL 1.0: ----- 8< ----- powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc -std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../include -I../include -I/usr/include -g -pthread -mcpu=7450 -O2 -pipe -maltivec -mabi=altivec -MT adjtime.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/adjtime.Tpo -c -o adjtime.o adjtime.c mv -f .deps/adjtime.Tpo .deps/adjtime.Po powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc -std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../include -I../include -I/usr/include -g -pthread -mcpu=7450 -O2 -pipe -maltivec -mabi=altivec -MT url.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/url.Tpo -c -o url.o url.c mv -f .deps/text.Tpo .deps/text.Po powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc -std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../include -I../include -I/usr/include -g -pthread -mcpu=7450 -O2 -pipe -maltivec -mabi=altivec -MT util.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/util.Tpo -c -o util.o util.c mv -f .deps/util.Tpo .deps/util.Po powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc -std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../include -I../include -I/usr/include -g -pthread -mcpu=7450 -O2 -pipe -maltivec -mabi=altivec -MT helptext.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/helptext.Tpo -c -o helptext.o helptext.c mv -f .deps/url.Tpo .deps/url.Po powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc -std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../include -I../include -I/usr/include -g -pthread -mcpu=7450 -O2 -pipe -maltivec -mabi=altivec -MT smkeys.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/smkeys.Tpo -c -o smkeys.o smkeys.c mv -f .deps/thread.Tpo .deps/thread.Po powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc -std=gnu99 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../include -I../include -I/usr/include -g -pthread -mcpu=7450 -O2 -pipe -maltivec -mabi=altivec -MT smime.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/smime.Tpo -c -o smime.o smime.c smkeys.c: In function 'get_x509_subject_email': smkeys.c:280: error: 'STACK' undeclared (first use in this function) smkeys.c:280: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once smkeys.c:280: error: for each function it appears in.) smkeys.c:280: error: 'emails' undeclared (first use in this function) make[4]: *** [smkeys.o] Error 1 make[4]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... mv -f .deps/helptext.Tpo .deps/helptext.Po mv -f .deps/smime.Tpo .deps/smime.Po make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/tmp/portage/mail-client/alpine-9999/work/snapshots/pith' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/tmp/portage/mail-client/alpine-9999/work/snapshots/pith' make[2]: *** [all] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/tmp/portage/mail-client/alpine-9999/work/snapshots/pith' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/tmp/portage/mail-client/alpine-9999/work/snapshots' make: *** [all] Error 2 ----- >8 ----- configure line is: ./configure --prefix=/usr --build=powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu --host=powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --datadir=/usr/share --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var/lib --with-passfile=.alpinepw --without-krb5 (and in case anyone gets ticked about the "powerpc" in there, the same thing happens for other archs I have tried, x86, arm, m68k, mips ...) With openssl 0.9.8o it builds fine. -- kolla From ruskie at codemages.net Mon Jul 19 12:10:47 2010 From: ruskie at codemages.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andra=C5=BE?= 'ruskie' Levstik) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine and OpenSSL 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Re-alpine has a patch for this commited. I'm aiming for a release this august. From bober at wustl.edu Mon Jul 19 13:17:42 2010 From: bober at wustl.edu (Mark Bober) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine "Answered" flags after a mail migration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D5D92C5-4BCB-412B-A28F-C5664E431213@wustl.edu> On Jul 19, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > > The X-Status header is an internal header that is only > processed/understood by products built using the c-client library Ah, OK. Well, for various and sundry reasons, the mbox files were imported into Thunderbird and then drug into Exchange, so, who knows :) > > Here is a hunch. Use aggregate operations. Try the command > > ; T A "X-Status: A" > > and see if that selects any messages. If so, then you can execute > > A * A > > to mark them Answered. That worked great! Thank you very much! Mark Bober bober@wustl.edu From alpine at kolla.no Mon Jul 19 15:55:14 2010 From: alpine at kolla.no (=?UTF-8?Q?Kolbj=C3=B8rn_Barmen?=) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Re: Alpine and OpenSSL 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jul 2010, Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: > Re-alpine has a patch for this commited. I'm aiming for a release this august. Ah, patch found and applied, works well, thanks :) -- kolla From rvi at sci.fi Tue Jul 20 09:59:23 2010 From: rvi at sci.fi (Riku Virtanen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: Hi all, I am using Alpine 2.00 and Fedora. Pruning option doesn't work. The current sentmail is almost two months old. Earlier I used Pine and it worked well with pruning. Regards, Riku From rvi at sci.fi Tue Jul 20 10:02:57 2010 From: rvi at sci.fi (Riku Virtanen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Long processing delay during opening Alpine In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: Hi all, I use Alpine 2.00 and Fedora Linux. I have used long time Pine, Pc-Pine and Alpine in both Linux and Windows-machines. Usually the opening process is relatively same but in this Fedora machine opening process takes pretty long time. What could be the reason? Regards, Riku From chappa at u.washington.edu Tue Jul 20 09:05:54 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: :) I am using Alpine 2.00 and Fedora. Pruning option doesn't work. The :) current sentmail is almost two months old. Earlier I used Pine and it :) worked well with pruning. Look for the value of Last Time Prune Questioned = It should not be bigger than 110.7. Also look for the value of Pruning Rule = Set Rule Values --- ---------------------- (*) ask about rename, ask about deleting (default) ( ) ask about rename, don't delete ( ) always rename, ask about deleting ( ) always rename, don't delete ( ) don't rename, ask about deleting ( ) don't rename, don't delete (By the way, the thread police is going to come after you) -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From chappa at u.washington.edu Tue Jul 20 09:07:12 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Long processing delay during opening Alpine In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: :) I use Alpine 2.00 and Fedora Linux. I have used long time Pine, Pc-Pine :) and Alpine in both Linux and Windows-machines. Usually the opening :) process is relatively same but in this Fedora machine opening process :) takes pretty long time. What could be the reason? Try setting Rsh Open Timeout = 0 and see if that makes the problem go away. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From rvi at sci.fi Tue Jul 20 09:34:26 2010 From: rvi at sci.fi (Riku Virtanen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: Hi, The value is 110.7. I tried to 110.6, but it doesn't help. The pruning rule is set default. Still pruning doesn't happen? Riku Virtanen Turun yliopisto / University of Turku GSM: +358 500 234 161 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: :) I am using Alpine 2.00 and Fedora. Pruning option doesn't work. The :) current sentmail is almost two months old. Earlier I used Pine and it :) worked well with pruning. Look for the value of Last Time Prune Questioned = It should not be bigger than 110.7. Also look for the value of Pruning Rule = Set Rule Values --- ---------------------- (*) ask about rename, ask about deleting (default) ( ) ask about rename, don't delete ( ) always rename, ask about deleting ( ) always rename, don't delete ( ) don't rename, ask about deleting ( ) don't rename, don't delete (By the way, the thread police is going to come after you) -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From chappa at u.washington.edu Tue Jul 20 11:18:35 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: :) The value is 110.7. I tried to 110.6, but it doesn't help. The pruning :) rule is set default. Still pruning doesn't happen? Look at the first few lines of the .pine-debug1 file and see the location of the pine.conf file. Is there anything there? Your .pine-debug1 might have more clues as to why this is happening. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From rvi at sci.fi Tue Jul 20 11:58:18 2010 From: rvi at sci.fi (Riku Virtanen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: Hi, .pine-debug1 does not exist or I don't find it. Also, I tried "locate pine.conf" but it also does not exist in the system? How is it possible? Riku Riku Virtanen Turun yliopisto / University of Turku GSM: +358 500 234 161 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: :) The value is 110.7. I tried to 110.6, but it doesn't help. The pruning :) rule is set default. Still pruning doesn't happen? Look at the first few lines of the .pine-debug1 file and see the location of the pine.conf file. Is there anything there? Your .pine-debug1 might have more clues as to why this is happening. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From holtzm at cox.net Tue Jul 20 12:40:23 2010 From: holtzm at cox.net (Robert Holtzman) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: <20100720194023.GA2565@cox.net> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 09:58:18PM +0300, Riku Virtanen wrote: > Hi, > > .pine-debug1 does not exist or I don't find it. > Also, I tried "locate pine.conf" but it also does not exist in the system? > How is it possible? Because it's .pinerc. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 "If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 205 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From chappa at u.washington.edu Tue Jul 20 12:52:03 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: :) .pine-debug1 does not exist or I don't find it. Also, I tried "locate :) pine.conf" but it also does not exist in the system? How is it :) possible? Riku Some distributions place pine.conf in /etc/. Also try to see if the command "M J" can give you a clue as to what is going on. If nothing can give you a clue, since you are using a modified version of Alpine, you would have to take it to Redhat. They may be able to tell you why this is happening. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From fhdata at unm.edu Tue Jul 20 13:04:24 2010 From: fhdata at unm.edu (FHDATA) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine 2.00 disabling the greeting text Message-ID: <4C460148.8040806@unm.edu> Hello, The alpine I am working with is not compiled but rather an rpm (rhel5) . . . Is there a way to disable the greeting text users see when they launch alpine for the first time? Thank you, From danm at prime.gushi.org Tue Jul 20 13:07:29 2010 From: danm at prime.gushi.org (Dan Mahoney, System Admin) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: > > :) .pine-debug1 does not exist or I don't find it. Also, I tried "locate > :) pine.conf" but it also does not exist in the system? How is it > :) possible? Riku > > Some distributions place pine.conf in /etc/. Also try to see if the > command "M J" can give you a clue as to what is going on. strings `which alpine` | grep etc may prove useful here. -Dan -- "A mother can be an inspiration to her little son, change his thoughts, his mind, his life, just with her gentle hum." -No Doubt, "Different People", from "Tragic Kingdom" --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From rvi at sci.fi Tue Jul 20 13:10:22 2010 From: rvi at sci.fi (Riku Virtanen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Re: Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: Hi, Do you mean "Alpine M J"? I tried both Alpine -m -j and Alpine m j but such commands doesn't exist. The program has been installed via yum ( yum install alpine). In /etc-dir, there is not pine-files. Also /usr/local/lib is almost empty and there is only unrtf-program. I have used some years Debian and Pine 4.64 without problems but Debian machine is broken. Riku Riku Virtanen Turun yliopisto / University of Turku GSM: +358 500 234 161 From danm at prime.gushi.org Tue Jul 20 13:15:39 2010 From: danm at prime.gushi.org (Dan Mahoney, System Admin) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:48 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Re: Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: > Hi, > > Do you mean "Alpine M J"? I tried both Alpine -m -j and Alpine m j but > such commands doesn't exist. He means type those commands when in alpine. Main Menu, Journal. > The program has been installed via yum ( yum install alpine). > In /etc-dir, there is not pine-files. It could just mean that none were installed, not that it's not looking for there. > Also /usr/local/lib is almost empty and there is only unrtf-program. Run the strings command I gave you. It will search the binary for the config location. > I have used some years Debian and Pine 4.64 without problems but Debian > machine is broken. -Dan -- "SOY BOMB!" -The Chest of the nameless streaker of the 1998 Grammy Awards' Bob Dylan Performance. --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From rvi at sci.fi Tue Jul 20 13:19:43 2010 From: rvi at sci.fi (Riku Virtanen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: Hi, which alpine says: /usr/bin. There is only program itself. Regards, Riku Virtanen Turun yliopisto / University of Turku GSM: +358 500 234 161 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: > > :) .pine-debug1 does not exist or I don't find it. Also, I tried "locate > :) pine.conf" but it also does not exist in the system? How is it > :) possible? Riku > > Some distributions place pine.conf in /etc/. Also try to see if the > command "M J" can give you a clue as to what is going on. strings `which alpine` | grep etc may prove useful here. -Dan -- "A mother can be an inspiration to her little son, change his thoughts, his mind, his life, just with her gentle hum." -No Doubt, "Different People", from "Tragic Kingdom" --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From dougb at FreeBSD.org Tue Jul 20 13:18:25 2010 From: dougb at FreeBSD.org (Doug Barton) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: Since Eduardo promised, and no one else did it .... If you want to send a message with a new topic to a list please do not reply to an existing message and change the topic. That causes your new topic to show up "under" the thread of the old message, and at minimum is annoying for people who use mail readers that do proper threading (like Alpine) and at worst will prevent your message from being seen by anyone ignoring the old thread. To start a new topic on the mailing list find an old message to that list, add the address of the list to your address book (or simply copy it), then create a new message and address it to the list. hope this helps, Doug -- Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover! http://SupersetSolutions.com/ Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso From jbastian at redhat.com Tue Jul 20 13:25:23 2010 From: jbastian at redhat.com (Jeffrey Bastian) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine 2.00 disabling the greeting text In-Reply-To: <4C460148.8040806@unm.edu> References: <4C460148.8040806@unm.edu> Message-ID: <4C460633.5090101@redhat.com> On 07/20/2010 03:04 PM, FHDATA wrote: > Is there a way to disable the greeting text users see when > they launch alpine for the first time? alpine uses the last-version-used variable in your ~/.pinerc file to determine which message to display (first time user, major version upgrade, etc.) last-version-used=6.00 pine 1.0 through 4.x are versions 1.0 through 4.x (no surprises), alpine 1.x is version 5.x, and alpine 2.x is 6.x. Jeff From dwm at xpasc.com Tue Jul 20 15:46:04 2010 From: dwm at xpasc.com (David Morris) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: > which alpine says: /usr/bin. There is only program itself. Note that the suggestion was that you issue: strings `which alpine` | grep etc --------------------------------- This will examine the alpine executable for the string 'etc' > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: > > > > :) .pine-debug1 does not exist or I don't find it. Also, I tried "locate > > :) pine.conf" but it also does not exist in the system? How is it > > :) possible? Riku > > > > Some distributions place pine.conf in /etc/. Also try to see if the > > command "M J" can give you a clue as to what is going on. > > strings `which alpine` | grep etc > > may prove useful here. > From rvi at sci.fi Wed Jul 21 03:00:31 2010 From: rvi at sci.fi (Riku Virtanen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: Hi, I wrote which alpine | grep etc Nothing text appear, I do not know if something goes to file or? Besides, it is pity that is a bit problematic to install old Pine. I loaded the rpm file but after "rpm -ivh filename, there is list of missing libssl / libcrypto files which yum do not find, and a message about conflicts with Alpine. Riku On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, David Morris wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: > >> which alpine says: /usr/bin. There is only program itself. > > Note that the suggestion was that you issue: > > strings `which alpine` | grep etc > --------------------------------- > > This will examine the alpine executable for the string 'etc' > >> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >> >> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Riku Virtanen wrote: >>> >>> :) .pine-debug1 does not exist or I don't find it. Also, I tried "locate >>> :) pine.conf" but it also does not exist in the system? How is it >>> :) possible? Riku >>> >>> Some distributions place pine.conf in /etc/. Also try to see if the >>> command "M J" can give you a clue as to what is going on. >> >> strings `which alpine` | grep etc >> >> may prove useful here. >> > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > From ruskie at codemages.net Wed Jul 21 03:05:50 2010 From: ruskie at codemages.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Andra=C5=BE_'ruskie'_Levstik?=) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: > Hi, > > I wrote > which alpine | grep etc > Nothing text appear, I do not know if something goes to file or? > Besides, it is pity that is a bit problematic to install old Pine. I loaded > the rpm file but after "rpm -ivh filename, there is list of missing libssl / > libcrypto files which yum do not find, and a message about conflicts with > Alpine. You left out the backticks... But Anyway this is a bit more readable... the full command: $> strings $(which alpine) | grep "etc" Everything from > onward... just copy paste Regards -- Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik Source Mage GNU/Linux Games/Xorg grimoire guru Re-Alpine Coordinator http://sourceforge.net/projects/re-alpine/ Geek/Hacker/Tinker The right to offend is more important than the right not to be offended. From fhdata at unm.edu Wed Jul 21 10:07:59 2010 From: fhdata at unm.edu (FHDATA) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine 2.00 disabling the greeting text In-Reply-To: <4C460633.5090101@redhat.com> References: <4C460148.8040806@unm.edu> <4C460633.5090101@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4C47296F.1000005@unm.edu> Jeffrey Bastian wrote, On 07/20/2010 02:25 PM: > On 07/20/2010 03:04 PM, FHDATA wrote: >> Is there a way to disable the greeting text users see when >> they launch alpine for the first time? > > > alpine uses the last-version-used variable in your ~/.pinerc file to > determine which message to display (first time user, major version > upgrade, etc.) > last-version-used=6.00 > > pine 1.0 through 4.x are versions 1.0 through 4.x (no surprises), alpine > 1.x is version 5.x, and alpine 2.x is 6.x. > > Jeff I would like to implement that system-wide for all users. According to paragraph below, if I set new-version-threshold=7.00 the greeting text should not appear. Alas, it does .... I do it in /etc/pine.conf and /etc/pine.conf.fixed to no avail. I actually did try many variations & permutation of values for new-version-threshold (1,1.00,2,2.0,7.0,9.99 ,etc)... Maybe my "version string" is wrong? http://www.washington.edu/alpine/tech-notes/config.html new-version-threshold When a new version of Alpine is run for the first time it offers a special explanatory screen to the user upon startup. This option helps control when and if that special screen appears for users that have previously run Alpine. It takes as its value a Alpine version number. Alpine versions less than the specified value will supress this special screen while versions equal to or greater than that specified will behave normally. Thank you, f, > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info From alpine at benizi.com Wed Jul 21 10:42:12 2010 From: alpine at benizi.com (Benjamin R. Haskell) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine 2.00 disabling the greeting text In-Reply-To: <4C47296F.1000005@unm.edu> References: <4C460148.8040806@unm.edu> <4C460633.5090101@redhat.com> <4C47296F.1000005@unm.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, FHDATA wrote: > Jeffrey Bastian wrote, On 07/20/2010 02:25 PM: > > On 07/20/2010 03:04 PM, FHDATA wrote: > > > Is there a way to disable the greeting text users see when they > > > launch alpine for the first time? > > > > > > alpine uses the last-version-used variable in your ~/.pinerc file to > > determine which message to display (first time user, major version > > upgrade, etc.) > > last-version-used=6.00 > > > > pine 1.0 through 4.x are versions 1.0 through 4.x (no surprises), > > alpine 1.x is version 5.x, and alpine 2.x is 6.x. > > > > Jeff > > I would like to implement that system-wide for all users. > > According to paragraph below, if I set new-version-threshold=7.00 > the greeting text should not appear. Alas, it does .... > > I do it in /etc/pine.conf and /etc/pine.conf.fixed to no avail. > > I actually did try many variations & permutation of values for > new-version-threshold (1,1.00,2,2.0,7.0,9.99 ,etc)... Maybe my > "version string" is wrong? Maybe it can't be overridden systemwide (which makes sense). Can you put it in a per-user .pinerc in a skeleton dir? (I assume not - since you probably have existing users.) What are you trying to accomplish, though, in the first place? Alpine handles character sets much differently than Pine. It would be useful for your users to know that they're using a different program than they might assume they are. (e.g. Why am I seeing question marks instead of smart quotes in emails?) And unless they're forced to use Pine/Alpine, I'd think a screen like that wouldn't be 'scary' for someone who uses Pine/Alpine in the first place. -- Best, Ben From jbastian at redhat.com Wed Jul 21 12:29:19 2010 From: jbastian at redhat.com (Jeff Bastian) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine 2.00 disabling the greeting text In-Reply-To: References: <4C460148.8040806@unm.edu> <4C460633.5090101@redhat.com> <4C47296F.1000005@unm.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: > Maybe it can't be overridden systemwide (which makes sense). Can you > put it in a per-user .pinerc in a skeleton dir? That's correct. From /usr/share/doc/alpine-2.00/tech-notes.txt (on Fedora 13, the path may differ on your system): _last-version-used_ Personal configuration file only. This is set automatically by _Alpine_. It is used to keep track of the last version of _Alpine_ that was run by the user. Whenever the version number increases, a new version message is printed out. This may not be set in the system-wide configuration files. This has to be set in every user's ~/.pinerc file. Jeff From fhdata at unm.edu Wed Jul 21 14:13:07 2010 From: fhdata at unm.edu (FHDATA) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine 2.00 disabling the greeting text In-Reply-To: References: <4C460148.8040806@unm.edu> <4C460633.5090101@redhat.com> <4C47296F.1000005@unm.edu> Message-ID: <4C4762E3.1090701@unm.edu> Benjamin R. Haskell wrote, On 07/21/2010 11:42 AM: > On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, FHDATA wrote: > >> Jeffrey Bastian wrote, On 07/20/2010 02:25 PM: >>> On 07/20/2010 03:04 PM, FHDATA wrote: >>>> Is there a way to disable the greeting text users see when they >>>> launch alpine for the first time? >>> >>> >>> alpine uses the last-version-used variable in your ~/.pinerc file to >>> determine which message to display (first time user, major version >>> upgrade, etc.) >>> =6.00 >>> >>> pine 1.0 through 4.x are versions 1.0 through 4.x (no surprises), >>> alpine 1.x is version 5.x, and alpine 2.x is 6.x. >>> >>> Jeff >> >> I would like to implement that system-wide for all users. >> >> According to paragraph below, if I set new-version-threshold=7.00 >> the greeting text should not appear. Alas, it does .... >> >> I do it in /etc/pine.conf and /etc/pine.conf.fixed to no avail. >> >> I actually did try many variations& permutation of values for >> new-version-threshold (1,1.00,2,2.0,7.0,9.99 ,etc)... Maybe my >> "version string" is wrong? > > Maybe it can't be overridden systemwide (which makes sense). I am under impression that where applicable, as is the case for last-version-used, tech-note states that it is for (personal) ~/.pinerc and that when I see nothing in that regard for the new-version-threshold then I assume it is for system-wide. Maybe I am reading it incorrectly. > Can you > put it in a per-user .pinerc in a skeleton dir? (I assume not - since > you probably have existing users.) true. > > What are you trying to accomplish, though, in the first place? we have a populous pine users and some are not technically savvy and may "freak out" seeing the message .... > > Alpine handles character sets much differently than Pine. It would be > useful for your users to know that they're using a different program > than they might assume they are. (e.g. Why am I seeing question marks > instead of smart quotes in emails?) > > And unless they're forced to use Pine/Alpine, I'd think a screen like > that wouldn't be 'scary' for someone who uses Pine/Alpine in the first > place. > Generally, it'd be nice to do something about the greeting text but it's not the end of the world thing.... Considering that (to me) new-version-threshold is clearly meant to be used by sys admins, I really would like to know why is it broken or [correct way of using it ;-)] Thanks, f, From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jul 21 16:24:32 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Pruning doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: <1279566647.19380.3.camel@baldr.codemages.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Andra? 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: >> I wrote >> which alpine | grep etc >> Nothing text appear, I do not know if something goes to file or? >> Besides, it is pity that is a bit problematic to install old Pine. I loaded >> the rpm file but after "rpm -ivh filename, there is list of missing libssl / >> libcrypto files which yum do not find, and a message about conflicts with >> Alpine. > > You left out the backticks... But Anyway this is a bit more readable... > > the full command: $> strings $(which alpine) | grep "etc" > > Everything from > onward... just copy paste That is an improvement (for bash shell) because backticks are deprecated, but this will leave off some of the crap you don't want: strings $(which alpine) | grep /etc/ (the quotes were superfluous). The reason is that you only want to see the path info, not this kind of junk: pam_setcred pthread_setcancelstate Mike From me at grantheaslip.com Thu Jul 22 15:55:26 2010 From: me at grantheaslip.com (Grant Heaslip) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Need to manually re-justify text after making changes in composer window Message-ID: Hi, I'm new to Alpine, and this is probably a naive question, but it's been bugging me: When I'm typing a message, it automatically inserts a line break when I hit 70 characters, which makes sense because of the RFC standard. The problem is that if I go back and remove any text, the text is not re-justified, which can leave ugly gaps in my message. This is especially evident if I delete over a line break, because the entire line will move up to the line above it, making the line more than 70 characters long, even when it's sent. I know I can fix this in a paragraph by hitting ^J, or fix the entire message by hitting ^W^U, but this seems like the kind of thing that should be happening automatically to avoid sending invalid messages. Is there some way to make text automatically re-justify itself, is this just something you need to live with, or am I completely missing something? Thanks, Grant Heaslip me@grantheaslip.com From danm at prime.gushi.org Thu Jul 22 16:53:55 2010 From: danm at prime.gushi.org (Dan Mahoney, System Admin) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Need to manually re-justify text after making changes in composer window In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Grant Heaslip wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to Alpine, and this is probably a naive question, but it's been > bugging me: > > When I'm typing a message, it automatically inserts a line break when I hit > 70 characters, which makes sense because of the RFC standard. The problem is > that if I go back and remove any text, the text is not re-justified, which > can leave ugly gaps in my message. This is especially evident if I delete > over a line break, because the entire line will move up to the line above it, > making the line more than 70 characters long, even when it's sent. > > I know I can fix this in a paragraph by hitting ^J, or fix the entire message > by hitting ^W^U, but this seems like the kind of thing that should be > happening automatically to avoid sending invalid messages. > > Is there some way to make text automatically re-justify itself, is this just > something you need to live with, or am I completely missing something? Actually, your text will be sent "flowed" which means it will wrap to whatever the person's screen is, unless you have the option "do not send flowed text" set. That said, if you're dealing with a person who doesn't understand flowed text, yes, your only option is to go and fix it. Pine, Alpine, and Pico (and until very recently, nano) have no concept of a "soft wrap". In general if your mail is long enough to be multi-paragraph it's not a terrible idea to re-read before sending, run a spell check, etc. (See www.bikeshed.com) :) -Dan -- "One...plus two...plus one...plus one." -Tim Curry, Clue --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From chappa at u.washington.edu Thu Jul 22 17:31:08 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Need to manually re-justify text after making changes in composer window In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Grant Heaslip wrote: :) Is there some way to make text automatically re-justify itself, is this :) just something you need to live with, or am I completely missing :) something? If your text was a table and you needed to edit the table, and the editor insisted in justifying the table, then instead of having the rectangular array structure that tables must have, you would end up with a mess and probably like it less, because that would be really painful to deal with. The limit for length of a line in a message is 998 characters, so merging two lines is not a big deal in that regard. This is a limit in the SMTP protocol. Alpine has a good ^J command. I use a modified version of it all the time, and it works great. Finally, if you really would like to have automatic justification, then you might want to look for another editor that does that, and use that editor instead of Pico (the default PIne COmposer). That is one of the nice things about Alpine. You can choose your own editor for your messages. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From me at grantheaslip.com Fri Jul 23 07:58:44 2010 From: me at grantheaslip.com (Grant Heaslip) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Need to manually re-justify text after making changes in composer window In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > If your text was a table and you needed to edit the table, and the editor > insisted in justifying the table, then instead of having the rectangular > array structure that tables must have, you would end up with a mess and > probably like it less, because that would be really painful to deal with. > > The limit for length of a line in a message is 998 characters, so merging > two lines is not a big deal in that regard. This is a limit in the SMTP > protocol. That makes a lot of sense. I guess the confusion for me arose from the fact that Alpine will auto-justify text as it's entered, but not as it's deleted. I come from a background of almost exclusively using desktop editors, which may have skewed my expectations. Thanks to everyone for their helpful replies! Grant From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 08:33:36 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Need to manually re-justify text after making changes in composer window In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010, Grant Heaslip wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jul 2010, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > >> If your text was a table and you needed to edit the table, and the >> editor insisted in justifying the table, then instead of having the >> rectangular array structure that tables must have, you would end up >> with a mess and probably like it less, because that would be really >> painful to deal with. >> >> The limit for length of a line in a message is 998 characters, so >> merging two lines is not a big deal in that regard. This is a limit in >> the SMTP protocol. > > That makes a lot of sense. I guess the confusion for me arose from the > fact that Alpine will auto-justify text as it's entered, but not as it's > deleted. I come from a background of almost exclusively using desktop > editors, which may have skewed my expectations. > > Thanks to everyone for their helpful replies! We do sometimes want to present some kind of formatted text, like a table, and when we do that we have to remove spaces from ends of lines to prevent wrapping due to flowed text. This reminds me to say that a couple of features would be very helpful for this kind of thing: (1) the ability to turn off auto-justify while composing. (2) the ability to automatically remove final spaces (s/ +$//) on paragraphs. Those features would help. Otherwise, I sometimes jump into my alt editor (emacs) and work there for a bit to get rid of spaces and work with longer lines. Mike From fhdata at unm.edu Sat Jul 24 16:43:21 2010 From: fhdata at unm.edu (FHDATA) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Kerberos errors Message-ID: <4C4B7A99.7050009@unm.edu> Hello, I am working with alpine 2.00 rpm for RHEL5 64bit and upon invocation of alpine right before login, I get: Kerberos error: No credentials cache found Kerberos error: Unknown code krb5 195 (try running kinit) Per earlier postings to the list I am under impression that inserting disable-these-authenticators should take care of these kerbrose errors but both /etc/pine.conf and /etc/pine.conf.fixed do not honor the "disable-these-authenticators" and I still see these messages. I tried: disable-these-authenticators=GSSAPI and disable-these-authenticators=GSSAPI,PLAIN What are my options? Thanks, f, From pine at jamescharles.eu Tue Jul 27 17:22:39 2010 From: pine at jamescharles.eu (James Pittman) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Spelling in PC Pine Message-ID: I've forgotten how I did this last time. What parameters are needed for ispell.exe to function, when added to the config. C:\ispell\bin\ispell.exe alone doesn't seem to cut it. From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Wed Jul 28 06:19:25 2010 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Sort question on ALPINE 2.00 Message-ID: Hello. I've been using Alpine for quite a while. I'm not an expert in all it's functions, (many I've no use for) But of all the Email programs I've ever tried, it's the only one I like to use. (unless you count "pine") Currently I'm using ALPINE 2.00 as supplied by apt-get on Xubuntu Lucid most of the things my ~/.pinerc does for me I configured so long ago that I don't remember doing it. One thing I do remember that used to bug me before I set up a filter to move unread news messages to local folders was that If I wanted to sort my local folders by thread, and not have to wait for on NNTP server sorting I had to set sort to arrival and use "$h" every time I opened a local folder. Then I think I found a workaround via: setup->rules->other Where I defined one rule and used ^T to add the local folders I cared about to the rule which set sort to thread, and left my primary sort key on arrival... Yeah I know I should have been able to set the sort key to thread used the "other" rule to set the sort for "news" folders to arrival, but I have vague memory of having a problem with that on some version of alpine (or was it pine?) or other and solved it by doing it this way... Thing is, I just noticed that my other rule sorting by thread is apparently being applied to all local folders and not just the ones explicitly listed... For example I didn't list my sent-mail folder because I like to be able to open it and start at the bottom to see what I've sent recently... But sometimes there's an old "sent" message on the same thread (Like when my sister sent me an email asking for a recipe by replying to an old email about the last time I twisted my ankle, and changing the subject. Well when I sent her the recipe, it took me a while to find it in my sent-mail folder... I might try defining another rule for the few local folders (like sent-mail) where I don't want it to sort by thread. But I would have thought that setting my primary sort key to arrival and only overriding it for a selected list of folders should be enough to cause the ones not in the list to be sorted by arrival... What am I missing???? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From chappa at u.washington.edu Wed Jul 28 06:41:47 2010 From: chappa at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Sort question on ALPINE 2.00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: :) I might try defining another rule for the few local folders (like :) sent-mail) where I don't want it to sort by thread. But I would have :) thought that setting my primary sort key to arrival and only overriding :) it for a selected list of folders should be enough to cause the ones :) not in the list to be sorted by arrival... What am I missing???? Do you have a copy of the actual rules that you can share with us? (the line(s) from the .pinerc that define your rules about sorting would be better). That way we can tell you if it is a bug or a misunderstanding from your side. -- Eduardo http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/ From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 10:06:07 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] export "AllParts" not working with Apple Mail incoming message Message-ID: I am using Alpine 2.00 from the Ubuntu package. Every message with multiple attachments coming from one of my friends has this problem. I think it must be an Alpine bug. I'll explain. The message clearly has multiple attachments that Alpine recognizes. Here is the attachment index: 1 53 lines Text/PLAIN 2.1 ~56 lines Text/HTML 2.2 138 KB Image/PNG (Name: "Clip #88.png") 2.3 144 KB Image/JPEG (Name: "DSC_0392.jpg") 2.4 179 KB Image/JPEG (Name: "DSC02536.jpg") Alpine allows me to save these attachments one at a time. However, if I attempt to use Export, the usual "^P AllParts" option does not appear. My "Index Format" string begins with "ATT" so that I can see how many attachments are in every message. It usually works, and for this message I would have expected to see "3" but no number appears, which suggests that there are no attachments. Using "h" in Alpine, I see these lines in the message header (I removed the Subject, Date and References lines between the Mime and X-Mailer lines): Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-143--769815464 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Parts/Attachments: 1 Shown 53 lines Text 2.1 OK ~56 lines Text 2.2 OK 138 KB Image 2.3 OK 144 KB Image 2.4 OK 179 KB Image ---------------------------------------- Using 'less' to view the file, this is between the message header and the message body: --Apple-Mail-143--769815464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also using 'less', I see this preceding the HTML attachment: --Apple-Mail-143--769815464 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=Apple-Mail-144--769815463; type="text/html" --Apple-Mail-144--769815463 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does this mean that we have nested attachments? After that the three image attachments begin with something that looks like this: --Apple-Mail-144--769815463 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Clip #88.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: image/png; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-type=504E4766; name="Clip #88.png" Content-Id: My guess is that Alpine isn't quite handling properly the change in "boundary" introduced with the HTML attachment. Don't we want alpine to allow us to use "AllParts" when exporting this message? Shouldn't Alpine display "3" for "ATT" (number of attachments) in the message index? Mike From beartooth at comcast.net Wed Jul 28 10:40:08 2010 From: beartooth at comcast.net (Beartooth) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] What means "[MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]"?? Message-ID: I do most of my mail elsewhere, and under IMAP, but I run two mailers and this newsreader (Pan) against the account my local access provider gives me -- this one, at comcast. Mostly, of course, I use Alpine on whichever of my own machines (all of which run Fedora 12 or 13) I happen to be using; but I can also point a browser (usually Firefox) at comcast.net, click on email, and eventually get into a web version. The latter usually proves quickest when I just want a quick look at some picture which someone I know has attached. So I keep both the web interface and Alpine open. The web one is usually available; but any time I don't touch the Alpine one for a while, I get a message at the bottom of the screen saying : "[MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]" All that seems to mean in practice is that I have to hit L, then Enter twice, and go do something else till Alpine reconnects. Is there any more I ought to know about this situation? Any way to make things quicker or less troublesome? Or is it basically just the price for tolerating POP3? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 00:24:02 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Re: export "AllParts" not working with Apple Mail incoming message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Upon further reflection, I think the problem is that Alpine doesn't handle nested attachments properly. If the image attachments are nested in an HTML attachment, Alpine doesn't detect that for "ATT" in the message index nor for the Export function, but I think it should detect it. Alpine does handle the nested attachments correctly in View and in Save within View. The problem probably is due to an oversight in the way attachments are counted for ATT and Export. Mike On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Mike Miller wrote: > I am using Alpine 2.00 from the Ubuntu package. > > Every message with multiple attachments coming from one of my friends > has this problem. I think it must be an Alpine bug. I'll explain. > The message clearly has multiple attachments that Alpine recognizes. > Here is the attachment index: > > 1 53 lines Text/PLAIN > 2.1 ~56 lines Text/HTML > 2.2 138 KB Image/PNG (Name: "Clip #88.png") > 2.3 144 KB Image/JPEG (Name: "DSC_0392.jpg") > 2.4 179 KB Image/JPEG (Name: "DSC02536.jpg") > > Alpine allows me to save these attachments one at a time. However, if I > attempt to use Export, the usual "^P AllParts" option does not appear. > > My "Index Format" string begins with "ATT" so that I can see how many > attachments are in every message. It usually works, and for this > message I would have expected to see "3" but no number appears, which > suggests that there are no attachments. > > Using "h" in Alpine, I see these lines in the message header (I removed > the Subject, Date and References lines between the Mime and X-Mailer > lines): > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-143--769815464 > Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) > Parts/Attachments: > 1 Shown 53 lines Text > 2.1 OK ~56 lines Text > 2.2 OK 138 KB Image > 2.3 OK 144 KB Image > 2.4 OK 179 KB Image > ---------------------------------------- > > > Using 'less' to view the file, this is between the message header and > the message body: > > --Apple-Mail-143--769815464 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=US-ASCII; > format=flowed; > delsp=yes > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Also using 'less', I see this preceding the HTML attachment: > > --Apple-Mail-143--769815464 > Content-Type: multipart/related; > boundary=Apple-Mail-144--769815463; > type="text/html" > > > --Apple-Mail-144--769815463 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > Does this mean that we have nested attachments? After that the three > image attachments begin with something that looks like this: > > --Apple-Mail-144--769815463 > Content-Disposition: inline; > filename="Clip #88.png" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Type: image/png; > x-unix-mode=0644; > x-mac-type=504E4766; > name="Clip #88.png" > Content-Id: > > > > My guess is that Alpine isn't quite handling properly the change in > "boundary" introduced with the HTML attachment. Don't we want alpine to > allow us to use "AllParts" when exporting this message? Shouldn't > Alpine display "3" for "ATT" (number of attachments) in the message > index? > > Mike From bl10 at cam.ac.uk Thu Jul 29 01:22:29 2010 From: bl10 at cam.ac.uk (Barry Landy) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Re: export "AllParts" not working with Apple Mail incoming message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010, Mike Miller wrote: :>Upon further reflection, I think the problem is that Alpine doesn't handle :>nested attachments properly. If the image attachments are nested in an HTML :>attachment, Alpine doesn't detect that for "ATT" in the message index nor for :>the Export function, but I think it should detect it. Alpine does handle the :>nested attachments correctly in View and in Save within View. The problem :>probably is due to an oversight in the way attachments are counted for ATT and :>Export. I too have had this problem (once some time ago) but did not spend as much time analysing it as Mike. :> :>Mike :> :> :>On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Mike Miller wrote: :> :>> I am using Alpine 2.00 from the Ubuntu package. :>> :>> Every message with multiple attachments coming from one of my friends has :>> this problem. I think it must be an Alpine bug. I'll explain. The message :>> clearly has multiple attachments that Alpine recognizes. Here is the :>> attachment index: :>> :>> 1 53 lines Text/PLAIN :>> 2.1 ~56 lines Text/HTML :>> 2.2 138 KB Image/PNG (Name: "Clip #88.png") :>> 2.3 144 KB Image/JPEG (Name: "DSC_0392.jpg") :>> 2.4 179 KB Image/JPEG (Name: "DSC02536.jpg") :>> :>> Alpine allows me to save these attachments one at a time. However, if I :>> attempt to use Export, the usual "^P AllParts" option does not appear. :>> :>> My "Index Format" string begins with "ATT" so that I can see how many :>> attachments are in every message. It usually works, and for this message I :>> would have expected to see "3" but no number appears, which suggests that :>> there are no attachments. :>> :>> Using "h" in Alpine, I see these lines in the message header (I removed the :>> Subject, Date and References lines between the Mime and X-Mailer lines): :>> :>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-143--769815464 :>> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) :>> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) :>> Parts/Attachments: :>> 1 Shown 53 lines Text :>> 2.1 OK ~56 lines Text :>> 2.2 OK 138 KB Image :>> 2.3 OK 144 KB Image :>> 2.4 OK 179 KB Image :>> ---------------------------------------- :>> :>> :>> Using 'less' to view the file, this is between the message header and the :>> message body: :>> :>> --Apple-Mail-143--769815464 :>> Content-Type: text/plain; :>> charset=US-ASCII; :>> format=flowed; :>> delsp=yes :>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :>> :>> :>> Also using 'less', I see this preceding the HTML attachment: :>> :>> --Apple-Mail-143--769815464 :>> Content-Type: multipart/related; :>> boundary=Apple-Mail-144--769815463; :>> type="text/html" :>> :>> :>> --Apple-Mail-144--769815463 :>> Content-Type: text/html; :>> charset=US-ASCII :>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable :>> :>> :>> Does this mean that we have nested attachments? After that the three image :>> attachments begin with something that looks like this: :>> :>> --Apple-Mail-144--769815463 :>> Content-Disposition: inline; :>> filename="Clip #88.png" :>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 :>> Content-Type: image/png; :>> x-unix-mode=0644; :>> x-mac-type=504E4766; :>> name="Clip #88.png" :>> Content-Id: :>> :>> :>> :>> My guess is that Alpine isn't quite handling properly the change in :>> "boundary" introduced with the HTML attachment. Don't we want alpine to :>> allow us to use "AllParts" when exporting this message? Shouldn't Alpine :>> display "3" for "ATT" (number of attachments) in the message index? :>> :>> Mike :>_______________________________________________ :>Alpine-info mailing list :>Alpine-info@u.washington.edu :>http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info :> -- Barry Landy Home: +44-1223-570417 192, Gilbert Road College: +44-1223-472134 Cambridge CB4 3PB Efax: +44-870-458-0205 England Email BL10@cam.ac.uk From dougb at FreeBSD.org Thu Jul 29 14:33:11 2010 From: dougb at FreeBSD.org (Doug Barton) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Version 1.8 of pine-pgp-filters Message-ID: Greetings, First, apologies to those who receive 2 copies of this message, or those for whom this message is unwelcome in any way. I wanted to send a quick note for those who are using, or may be interested in using my scripts to integrate GnuPG with Alpine. I've released version 1.8 which has revised (and greatly improved) scripts to deal with PGP/MIME messages; and a minor cosmetic change to the other filters. You can find the scripts themselves, and more information about them at http://dougbarton.us/PGP/ppf/. Regards, Doug -- Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover! http://SupersetSolutions.com/ Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Sat Jul 31 20:14:09 2010 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:49 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Re: Sort question on ALPINE 2.00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It would appear that on Jul 28, Eduardo Chappa did say: > Do you have a copy of the actual rules that you can share with us? (the > line(s) from the .pinerc that define your rules about sorting would be > better). That way we can tell you if it is a bug or a misunderstanding > from your side. OK I located the other rule section in my .pinerc, and due to the length of the line I copied the section to the attached file. I note that the list of folders we added via ^T so they should be correct. Also I didn't edit this section of the .pinerc by hand, so it should be syntactically correct. And you can verify the actual folders via the below quoted incoming folders section... But let me say this is not a major issue for me. It's just that it seems like I must be misunderstanding something, else with the Sort Key set to Arrival, the folders not listed in the attached rule, shouldn't default to a threaded sort. -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> # List of incoming msg folders besides INBOX, e.g. ={host2}inbox, {host3}inbox # Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-host-name}folder-path incoming-folders=procINBOX mail/procmailDIR/default, NewsSplitter mail/junkdir/NewsSplitter, TrashBox mail/junkdir/TrashBox, cyberCrap mail/junkdir/cyberCrap, PROChtmJunk mail/procmailDIR/hyperJunkBox, procSpam mail/procmailDIR/spamBox, procSpecial mail/procmailDIR/SpecialBox, Known mail/KnownSender, WhaDaFa mail/WhaDaFa, NOWBOX mail/nowbox, LinuxClues mail/GeneralLinuxClues/clues, KubuntUser mail/DistroStuff/ubuntuDir/Kubuntu-user, XubuntUser mail/DistroStuff/ubuntuDir/Xubuntu-user, ArchLinux mail/DistroStuff/arch-Linux, -SabayonStuff- mail/DistroStuff/sabayonSTUFF/sabaYon.mbox, PCLinuxOS /home/jtwdyp/mail/DistroStuff/PCLinuxOS, ooffice mail/HotAppSTUFF/oofficeQuestions, pine.now mail/HotAppSTUFF/pineDir/pine.now, LyXstuff /home/jtwdyp/mail/HotAppSTUFF/LyXstuff/LyXstuff, cupStuff /home/jtwdyp/mail/HotAppSTUFF/cupStuff, KDE-linux mail/DistroStuff/kdeDir/KDE-linux, EliveTester mail/E16dir/EliveTester, Enlightenment mail/E16dir/e16-user, tovid-STUFF /home/jtwdyp/mail/HotAppSTUFF/tovid, mc-general /home/jtwdyp/mail/HotAppSTUFF/mc-general, Diverse-Marketing /home/jtwdyp/mail/jobdir/Diverse-ThriveSTUFF/Diverse, Thrive-Institute /home/jtwdyp/mail/jobdir/Diverse-ThriveSTUFF/Thrive, mvjap3 /home/jtwdyp/mail/mvjap3, OperaForum /home/jtwdyp/mail/HotAppSTUFF/OperaForum, WorldWideBrands mail/jobdir/Biz_Clues/WWBbox, ugg-LegitJob /home/jtwdyp/mail/jobdir/LegitJob, ugg-fromMAL /home/jtwdyp/mail/jobdir/frmMAL, ugg-ArcaMax /home/jtwdyp/mail/jobdir/ArcaMax, procDupes mail/procmailDIR/duplicates, sentit /home/jtwdyp/mail/sentit -------------- next part -------------- # Patterns and their actions are stored here. patterns-other=LIT:pattern="/NICK=Other Rule sort local list folders $h/FLDTYPE=SPEC/FOLDER=Enlightenment,KDE-linux,cupStuff,tovid-STUFF,ooffice,ArchLinux,XubuntUser,LinuxClues,NOWBOX,Known,NewsSplitter,LyXstuff,pine.now,mc-general,KubuntUser" action="/OTHER=1/SORT=tHread"