From patrick at collinatorstudios.com Mon Aug 6 18:44:37 2012 From: patrick at collinatorstudios.com (Patrick J. Collins) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] .signature file? Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to figure out how the easiest way I can have two email addresses for outgoing mail that will each have their own unique signature... When I was first exploring this topic, I previously just had created a signature through the setup page-- When looking in my .pinerc file, I saw that there was an option: # Over-rides default path for signature file. Default is ~/.signature signature-file= ... So, I made a .signature file, but the contents of this file do not show up when I compose an email. Again, my questions are: #1. How can I make it so that I can compose an email as being sent from one of two addresses. #2. How can I have unique signatures map to those FROM addresses? Thank you. Patrick J. Collins http://collinatorstudios.com From chappa at gmx.com Mon Aug 6 18:55:05 2012 From: chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] .signature file? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2012, Patrick J. Collins wrote: > I am trying to figure out how the easiest way I can have two email > addresses for outgoing mail that will each have their own unique > signature... There is a feature called "Roles" that does what you want. You pick the role, and Alpine fills in the correct From field, signature, and other fields. Press M S R R to set up one. To learn about them, press "?" in the roles setup screen. There is also some help in my web page at http://patches.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine-info/roles/ I hope this helps. -- Eduardo http://patches.freeiz.com/alpine/ From jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 12:43:37 2012 From: jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com (James Freer) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs Message-ID: anyone an emacs user? I've started using emacs and wanted to use emacs for mail. For Alpine i have tried different editors like leafpad in the "Setting alternate editor implicity"... no problems. But with emacs one is supposed to put 'emacs server' in the .emacs file and then 'emacsclient' in the alpine setup - thus avoiding emacs starting up each time one edits a file. I've been trying to use emacs and a couple of it's mail clients recently and i have to say that anything emacs seems to take some setting up and considerable time. thanks james From brennan at columbia.edu Fri Aug 10 12:49:10 2012 From: brennan at columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D3483952ED48F8032EAECE9@sodor.cc.columbia.edu> > I've started using emacs and wanted to use emacs for mail. For Alpine > i have tried different editors like leafpad in the "Setting alternate > editor implicity"... no problems. But with emacs one is supposed to > put 'emacs server' in the .emacs file and then 'emacsclient' in the > alpine setup - thus avoiding emacs starting up each time one edits a > file. What's the problem with starting up emacs for each message? On my Mac and on our linux timeshares, it starts up very fast. Keep it simple. > I've been trying to use emacs and a couple of it's mail clients > recently and i have to say that anything emacs seems to take some > setting up and considerable time. After using it for 25 years I don't find it hard at all! Joseph Brennan Columbia University Information Technology From jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 13:32:18 2012 From: jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com (James Freer) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs In-Reply-To: <9D3483952ED48F8032EAECE9@sodor.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9D3483952ED48F8032EAECE9@sodor.cc.columbia.edu> Message-ID: Hi Joseph I appreciate your very quick response.... i've just been tinkering in the meantime. On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Joseph Brennan wrote: > >> I've started using emacs and wanted to use emacs for mail. For Alpine >> i have tried different editors like leafpad in the "Setting alternate >> editor implicity"... no problems. But with emacs one is supposed to >> put 'emacs server' in the .emacs file and then 'emacsclient' in the >> alpine setup - thus avoiding emacs starting up each time one edits a >> file. > > What's the problem with starting up emacs for each message? On my Mac > and on our linux timeshares, it starts up very fast. Keep it simple. Sure that's a good point. Exactly what i've just tried. It is fast enough but to me just seems the wrong approach... after reading the emacs help file it seemed logical to use the "server start" if one is using emacs anyway. I don't have any complaints about using the pico editor it's just that when replying of lots of emails using CTRL-J to re-paragraph becomes a little irritating. I did try Leafpad instead but it seems that the shortcuts conflict somehow with Alpine... works fine on the menus though. >> I've been trying to use emacs and a couple of it's mail clients >> recently and i have to say that anything emacs seems to take some >> setting up and considerable time. > > After using it for 25 years I don't find it hard at all! There was a discussion on the emacs list a while back saying how could emacs be improved. For beginners it would help to have some simple examples of configuration files to get folk started. If you're an emacs user why don't you use one of the email clients that go with the package - i was just going to have a look at each to see if i liked them. So far of all the email clients i've tried Alpine is the fastest, simplest to set up and one of only a few that's completely IMAP compatible (imho as i'm no IT expert). Thunderbird and Evolution for IMAP are extremely slow by comparison. i think a text email client has much to offer. > Joseph Brennan > Columbia University Information Technology thanks james From vi5u0-pineinfo at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 10 13:57:22 2012 From: vi5u0-pineinfo at yahoo.co.uk (Dan) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, James Freer wrote: > I've started using emacs and wanted to use emacs for mail. For Alpine > i have tried different editors like leafpad in the "Setting alternate > editor implicity"... no problems. But with emacs one is supposed to > put 'emacs server' in the .emacs file and then 'emacsclient' in the > alpine setup - thus avoiding emacs starting up each time one edits a > file. That's the setup I have. The "editor" line in my Alpine config is emacsclient -a "" -nw The '-a ""' means that, if the emacs server is not already running, it will be started so that this emacs client can connect to it. the '-nw' means that the emacs client will operate in the terminal window where Alpine is running, rather than opening an X window. -- HTH, Dan From jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 15:09:44 2012 From: jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com (James Freer) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Dan wrote: > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, James Freer wrote: > >> I've started using emacs and wanted to use emacs for mail. For Alpine >> i have tried different editors like leafpad in the "Setting alternate >> editor implicity"... no problems. But with emacs one is supposed to >> put 'emacs server' in the .emacs file and then 'emacsclient' in the >> alpine setup - thus avoiding emacs starting up each time one edits a >> file. > > That's the setup I have. The "editor" line in my Alpine config is > > emacsclient -a "" -nw > > The '-a ""' means that, if the emacs server is not already running, it > will be started so that this emacs client can connect to it. the > '-nw' means that the emacs client will operate in the terminal window > where Alpine is running, rather than opening an X window. > > HTH, > > Dan Thanks so much... i really appreciate that. What have you got set up in the .emacs? I tried 'server status' and when starting didn't seem to like that. Removing it and starting emacs, typing M-x server status seemed to work ok. But i'd rather set up the .emacs so i don't have to do that everytime. Hope you don't mind me asking but why use Alpine instead of one of the emacs clients. tbh the only reason i've started using emacs is because it's the only editor [along with pico] that has the lovely 'half screen' scroll as one's typing. I use a text editor for editing 'text' instead of programme code - i'm an editor for some car magazines. i want to use one editor and Pico's linewrap isn't so good. Emacs for me is a bit of a learning curve! james From mattack at apple.com Fri Aug 10 15:42:02 2012 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, James Freer wrote: >I've been trying to use emacs and a couple of it's mail clients >recently and i have to say that anything emacs seems to take some >setting up and considerable time. So use vim. From jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 15:57:18 2012 From: jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com (James Freer) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, James Freer wrote: >> I've been trying to use emacs and a couple of it's mail clients >> recently and i have to say that anything emacs seems to take some >> setting up and considerable time. > > So use vim. > > Vim! I acknowledge vi family of editors are popular but i consider them to be the most non conventional editor of them all. The logic is all wrong in my view. A modal editor when it's logical to use modeless. The wordstar keybindings are still the best of them all along with CTRL key sequence. james From mattack at apple.com Fri Aug 10 16:10:01 2012 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, James Freer wrote: > Vim! I acknowledge vi family of editors are popular but i consider them to be > the most non conventional editor of them all. The logic is all wrong in my > view. A modal editor when it's logical to use modeless. I really was mostly joking and didn't intend to start a big discussion here.. But isn't emacs modal? I thought it was. Plus, vim is what I would call "less modal", or rather the modality gets in ones way less often (IMHO). e.g. you can move the cursor around while in insert mode, delete across lines, etc. Plus, :set showmode and you always see what mode you're in. (Slightly joking.) But the original message talked about reformatting paragraphs, and vim's gq is one of my favorite features of it. I know almost literally like 4 commands in vi, plus a few more from vim. I never said I was an expert.. (I personally wish there were optional "GUI-like" find/replace "dialogs". Text based does not need to mean unfriendly. Heck, alpine's extensive built in help is pretty much the poster child for a helpful text-based program.) From vi5u0-pineinfo at yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 11 03:03:06 2012 From: vi5u0-pineinfo at yahoo.co.uk (Dan) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, James Freer wrote: > What have you got set up in the .emacs? The most relevant line of my ~/.emacs is: (server-start) Although this one probably helps too: (xterm-mouse-mode) -- HTH, Dan From jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 14:19:49 2012 From: jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com (James Freer) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, James Freer wrote: >> Vim! I acknowledge vi family of editors are popular but i consider them to be >> the most non conventional editor of them all. The logic is all wrong in my >> view. A modal editor when it's logical to use modeless. > > I really was mostly joking and didn't intend to start a big discussion here.. > > But isn't emacs modal? I thought it was. > > Plus, vim is what I would call "less modal", or rather the modality gets in > ones way less often (IMHO). e.g. you can move the cursor around while in > insert mode, delete across lines, etc. > > Plus, :set showmode and you always see what mode you're in. (Slightly joking.) > > But the original message talked about reformatting paragraphs, and vim's > gq is one of my favorite features of it. > > I know almost literally like 4 commands in vi, plus a few more from vim. I > never said I was an expert.. (I personally wish there were optional "GUI-like" > find/replace "dialogs". Text based does not need to mean unfriendly. Heck, > alpine's extensive built in help is pretty much the poster child for a helpful > text-based program.) Matt "joking" - in 'the good old days' your comments would have been worthy of a call to a "Dawn duel". Oh how times have changed! As i understand it the term 'modeless' means that characters one types are immediately inserted into the buffer... i.e. Insert mode. Whereas with Vi Insert mode is just one of two/three. A better term to use would be single or multi mode really. I will give vim another go but i have tried gvim with alpine and it doesn't load the file when you go into edit. Gvim i gather is buggy and has a number of slight differences to vim... using vim is a better bet imo. Best graphical editor is Bluefish i think. I wanted to try emacs as i was intending to one of it's email clients. But these 3 part clients seem to have niggles which i can't be bothered with. james From b.j.casavant at ieee.org Sat Aug 11 14:56:25 2012 From: b.j.casavant at ieee.org (Brent Casavant) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Aug 2012, James Freer wrote: > I will give vim another go but i have tried gvim with alpine and it doesn't > load the file when you go into edit. Gvim i gather is buggy and has a number > of slight differences to vim... using vim is a better bet imo. Best graphical > editor is Bluefish i think. I wanted to try emacs as i was intending to one of > it's email clients. But these 3 part clients seem to have niggles which i > can't be bothered with. Regarding gvim, it would be better to drop the "g", and just use vim as an alternate editor. gvim can be made to work, but I find it clunky to have the mail editor in a seperate window from the alpine mail interface. I suspect the problem you mentioned (gvim not picking up the file to edit) is due to gvim going in the background, and thus alpine thinks the editor is finished and deleting the temporary edit buffer before gvim has a chance to read it in. So, if you really want to use gvim, you'll need to add "-f" to its command line so that it doesn't automatically go into the background. If you're concerned abut "true vi" versus vim behavior, add the "-C" option to the command line to cause vim to behave in a more vi-compatible manner. That said, at least on Linux systems vi is almost always vim anyway, so unless you're dealing with commercial UNIX-based systems regularly (or maybe the BSDs -- I'm no longer familiar with what their default vi programs are), vim is effectively everywhere. I'd be *very* curious to know what you find different between vim and gvim. They're the same program, compiled from the same source, just with a GUI bolted on to gvim. I've been using gvim for, umm, too long to remember -- maybe 12 years, and don't recall ever running into bugs or any differences from vim, so I'm really curious as to what you've noticed. Brent -- Brent Casavant If you had nothing to fear, www.angeltread.org how then could you be brave? KD5EMB, EN34lv -- Queen Dama, Source Wars From jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 16:26:59 2012 From: jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com (James Freer) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] setting alternate editor implicity--Emacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Brent Thanks for your reply On Sat, 11 Aug 2012, Brent Casavant wrote: > On Sat, 11 Aug 2012, James Freer wrote: > >> I will give vim another go but i have tried gvim with alpine and it doesn't >> load the file when you go into edit. Gvim i gather is buggy and has a number >> of slight differences to vim... using vim is a better bet imo. Best graphical >> editor is Bluefish i think. I wanted to try emacs as i was intending to one of >> it's email clients. But these 3 part clients seem to have niggles which i >> can't be bothered with. > > Regarding gvim, it would be better to drop the "g", and just use vim as > an alternate editor. gvim can be made to work, but I find it clunky to > have the mail editor in a seperate window from the alpine mail interface. > I suspect the problem you mentioned (gvim not picking up the file to > edit) is due to gvim going in the background, and thus alpine thinks > the editor is finished and deleting the temporary edit buffer before > gvim has a chance to read it in. So, if you really want to use gvim, > you'll need to add "-f" to its command line so that it doesn't > automatically go into the background. Just tried using vim... it seems to integrate rather well with Alpine. Probably what many use. I'll try gvim with "-f" another day. > If you're concerned abut "true vi" versus vim behavior, add the "-C" > option to the command line to cause vim to behave in a more vi-compatible > manner. That said, at least on Linux systems vi is almost always > vim anyway, so unless you're dealing with commercial UNIX-based > systems regularly (or maybe the BSDs -- I'm no longer familiar with > what their default vi programs are), vim is effectively everywhere. > > I'd be *very* curious to know what you find different between vim > and gvim. They're the same program, compiled from the same source, > just with a GUI bolted on to gvim. I've been using gvim for, umm, > too long to remember -- maybe 12 years, and don't recall ever running > into bugs or any differences from vim, so I'm really curious as to > what you've noticed. There seemed to be some commands that are non standard which makes it a pain if alternating with vim. Examples [i may have got this wrong but...] C-Q, C-V, wqa instead of wq. I'll have to have a look at a list i've got from somewhere. I don't want to appear a 'nit' perhaps i shouldn't have said that... it was a few months back that i looked into it before i tried emacs. james From patrick at collinatorstudios.com Mon Aug 13 00:26:01 2012 From: patrick at collinatorstudios.com (Patrick J. Collins) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] weird broken text in subject lines In-Reply-To: <201208121903.q7CJ3MoJ031563@mxout14.cac.washington.edu> References: <201208121903.q7CJ3MoJ031563@mxout14.cac.washington.edu> Message-ID: Hi, Every now and then, when going through my mail, I see a subject line that when I highlight it, the text is broken up and appears partially on the current line, and partially several lines down. Please see the attached screenshot: http://collinatorstudios.com/www/alpine.png Can anyone identify what might be causing this, and how I can fix it? I tried changing my font and that didn't affect it... Thanks. Patrick J. Collins http://collinatorstudios.com From vjl at cullasaja.com Mon Aug 13 00:42:53 2012 From: vjl at cullasaja.com (Vince LaMonica) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] weird broken text in subject lines In-Reply-To: References: <201208121903.q7CJ3MoJ031563@mxout14.cac.washington.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Patrick J. Collins wrote: } Every now and then, when going through my mail, I see a subject line that when } I highlight it, the text is broken up and appears partially on the current } line, and partially several lines down. } } Please see the attached screenshot: } http://collinatorstudios.com/www/alpine.png I've seen that too, occasionally. Not sure what a real fix is, but usually a -L to refresh the screen does the trick - it redraws the screen and then things usually look normal. I'd like to know a more permanent fix though! /vjl/ From jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 13:08:00 2012 From: jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com (James Freer) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] weird broken text in subject lines In-Reply-To: References: <201208121903.q7CJ3MoJ031563@mxout14.cac.washington.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Vince LaMonica wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Patrick J. Collins wrote: > > } Every now and then, when going through my mail, I see a subject line that when > } I highlight it, the text is broken up and appears partially on the current > } line, and partially several lines down. > } > } Please see the attached screenshot: > } http://collinatorstudios.com/www/alpine.png > > I've seen that too, occasionally. Not sure what a real fix is, but usually > a -L to refresh the screen does the trick - it redraws the screen > and then things usually look normal. I'd like to know a more permanent fix > though! > > /vjl/ Could this be a fix [please note i'm not claiming to be a guru!]. But i did have something similar a while back and solved this way. I like to have the minimum in my index list - i typed in the following and no trouble since! In setup go to Index Format [it's several pages in] and enter Index Format = STATUS MSGNO FROMORTO (10%) SUBJECT I found the date etc and other default entries a pain - i like the minimum. I have the Reverse Arrival set... just the way i like it. james