From mattack at apple.com Mon Dec 3 15:18:13 2012 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Dealing with spam when I also read with other clients Message-ID: I may have brought this up a long time ago.. I mostly gave up on it at the time, but thought I'd play with it a bit today, but my experiments aren't working too well. First of all, it's probably properly "work mail vs non-work mail", but I throw it into a suspected-spam folder, so that's why I'm calling it that. Plus, the stuff that goes into that folder is usually stuff I nuke faster than work mail, so it's temporary-ish. Basically, I have a bunch of filters that do a bunch of things.. mostly I am marking things as 'good', and if they hit the last one, they get moved to suspected-spam That all worked pretty well, when I dealt with only NEW mail. But when I read mail on my iPhone (usually on the weekends), then my filters are busted on Monday and my suspected spam still stays in my INBOX. So I thought today I'd change all of my filters to DON'T CARE for recent/new, and add FILTEREDBYALPINE keyword Then the last one would work on ANY message, and only if !FILTEREDBYALPINE was there. I also had (0,3) date ranges on some/most of my filters to hopefully cause them to look at fewer messages. But nothing is going in my suspected-spam folder (except for a ton of messages that I accidentally moved this morning when I was first playing with this). Questions: Does anybody have a better idea of how to accomplish THIS SORT OF FILTERING REGIME. I want to still do it this way.. I know real server side filtering is best, and since I'm actually searching for MORE than actual spam, I want to keep having alpine end filtering done anyway. Also, how do I see what keywords are on a message? I presume everything in my INBOX has my keyword added, but I haven't yet figured out how to see what keywords are on a message. (Do I have to add that to the status bar? I was hoping I could see it in a separate screen after selecting a message.) Thanks... From alpine at benizi.com Mon Dec 3 15:37:27 2012 From: alpine at benizi.com (Benjamin R. Haskell) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Dealing with spam when I also read with other clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, Matt Ackeret wrote: > > I may have brought this up a long time ago.. I mostly gave up on it at > the time, but thought I'd play with it a bit today, but my experiments > aren't working too well. > > First of all, it's probably properly "work mail vs non-work mail", but > I throw it into a suspected-spam folder, so that's why I'm calling it > that. Plus, the stuff that goes into that folder is usually stuff I > nuke faster than work mail, so it's temporary-ish. > > Basically, I have a bunch of filters that do a bunch of things.. > mostly I am marking things as 'good', and if they hit the last one, > they get moved to suspected-spam I could have sworn that Nancy McGough's Infinite Ink pages (www.ii.com) had something about this exact use case. But what I see there now is Procmail-oriented (http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/spam/). Depending on your mail server topology (under-your-control vs not &/or local-vs-remote), Procmail might be a better route to take. > That all worked pretty well, when I dealt with only NEW mail. But > when I read mail on my iPhone (usually on the weekends), then my > filters are busted on Monday and my suspected spam still stays in my > INBOX. > > So I thought today I'd change all of my filters to DON'T CARE for > recent/new, and add FILTEREDBYALPINE keyword > > Then the last one would work on ANY message, and only if > !FILTEREDBYALPINE was there. I also had (0,3) date ranges on > some/most of my filters to hopefully cause them to look at fewer > messages. > > But nothing is going in my suspected-spam folder (except for a ton of > messages that I accidentally moved this morning when I was first > playing with this). > > Questions: Does anybody have a better idea of how to accomplish THIS > SORT OF FILTERING REGIME. I want to still do it this way.. I know > real server side filtering is best, and since I'm actually searching > for MORE than actual spam, I want to keep having alpine end filtering > done anyway. The way you're describing it, it sounds the same as what I was doing before I started using Gmail-for-Domains (and lost the ability to have sane "IMAP keyword" semantics from the Alpine side of things). I also (vaguely) recall it being tricky to get the filter-ordering set up properly. Do you have a set of filters you could share? > Also, how do I see what keywords are on a message? I presume > everything in my INBOX has my keyword added, but I haven't yet figured > out how to see what keywords are on a message. (Do I have to add that > to the status bar? I was hoping I could see it in a separate screen > after selecting a message.) One way is to use the 'Flag details' screen. Not sure if there's a one-keystroke way to access it, but {*} {Ctrl-t} is the way I know. You can't get keywords to show up in the message screen, since it's a server-level thing, not a message-header thing. -- Best, Ben From mattack at apple.com Mon Dec 3 18:30:45 2012 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Dealing with spam when I also read with other clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: > Procmail-oriented (http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/spam/). Depending on > your mail server topology (under-your-control vs not &/or local-vs-remote), > Procmail might be a better route to take. This is just my work mail server that I connect to via alpine, my phone, and the rare times I use it, Mail.app (all with IMAP of course). > Do you have a set of filters you could share? These names don't really give anything away.. oldqletc oldbuild These move some old messages to a different folder.. (Basically things that were useful for a week or two, but I want to automatically get rid of them... but since I'm paranoid, I move them to another folder and then go manually skim through them every couple of weeks.) from apple.com my groups group.apple.com and lists.apple.com these ones supposedly mark 'good' messages.. basically whitelists suspected spam Another whitelist, including mail from alpine list and a few other lists.. if recipient isn't one of a bunch of lists hitoolbox feedback -> suspected_spam an externally known address, which is mostly spam, so anything to that goes to suspected spam not in address book (move to suspected_spam) This is supposedly the "big one" that I changed today to work on all messages and !keyword, and the ones above add the keyword as the positive trigger.. AddKeywordToAll This one used to be at the top, from back when I was playing with this idea first.. Now I moved it to the bottom. I probably should just nuke it. I realized one other thing, I should probably make ANOTHER keyword for each of the other filters so then I can possibly figure out which other filter is accidentally whitelisting a message. But really, it seems to me like the changes I made were all simple/logical... I goofed somehow. If I change the filters to look only at 'recent' messages, that won't work, right? Because if I have a different client see lets say 100 messages, then alpine looks, it will think there are no recent messages, even though lets say alpine hasn't seen the last 10 messages that I got over the weekend? From mattack at apple.com Tue Dec 4 18:02:40 2012 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Dealing with spam when I also read with other clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, Matt Ackeret wrote: >I realized one other thing, I should probably make ANOTHER keyword for each >of the other filters so then I can possibly figure out which other filter is >accidentally whitelisting a message. I added a new keyword to most of the filters (except the first few that already move items to another folder), and it seems like a lot of messages are getting NO keywords added. I'm stumped at the moment. There was ONE new message added to my suspected-spam folder overnight.. I think. I'm not positive I didn't manually save it there earlier today. I may just switch back to my NEW + DATE filtering.. Then at least if I don't open the non work ("suspected-spam") messages on my iPhone, they'll still get filtered. From robin.listas at telefonica.net Sat Dec 8 15:29:53 2012 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Why do I get "rsh to IMAP server timed out? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2012-10-29 at 12:09 -0400, Sean C. Farley wrote: I think I replied to the list a month ago, to thank you, because the issue is solved, but I do not see that reply here. Maybe my bad memory, or I used the wrong from address with a different MUA. Anyway, I'll post again. > Do you have something like this for inbox-path in .pinerc: > inbox-path={localhost/user=sean@example.com/tls} > > It has been awhile, but I think that if you do not specify how to > connect--the "tls"--Alpine will try everything including rsh/ssh. > > To see everything you can put in between the {}, then > 1. Go to the config page (M S C). > 2. Go to "Inbox Path". > 3. Click '?'. > 4. Select "Valid Folder Names". > 5. Select "here" in the line with: Check here for a more detailed look > at what options can be placed between the brackets. > > There is "NoRsh" if you need it, but I think if you are specific enough about > the inboxes then it is not necessary. I do not remember the exact details of what I did, but as result of my trials I currently have: Inbox Path = Incoming Archive Folders = {Telcontar.valinor/novalidate-cert/user=cer}in_daemon {Telcontar.valinor/novalidate-cert/user=cer}file/in_daemon "inbox" {Telcontar.valinor/novalidate-cert/user=cer}file/in_mbox {Telcontar.valinor/novalidate-cert/user=cer}in_teleline {Telcontar.valinor/novalidate-cert/user=cer}file/in_telelin For "inbox" using it at default value, it bypasses the dovecot imap server and it uses the file instead, directly. For the rest, I replaced "localhost" with the name of the machine, as that is the name used in the certificate, and it works. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlDDzXEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WS+QCeKjpOkorK7etnRQooXkR8thi/ 9EsAoIe0s1OHJLY1Jvzp89GEpCGZq5/A =uyoi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mbeis at xs4all.nl Sun Dec 16 12:45:23 2012 From: mbeis at xs4all.nl (Marco Beishuizen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine doesn't remember sort order imap folders Message-ID: Hi, Since I'm using IMAP alpine doesn't remember the sort order of most mail folders. I want it to be "reverse thread" (and this works for local folders), but every time leaving the IMAP folder and opening it later, results in a folder sorted the other way around or not sorted at all. Then I have to sort it manually every time. Am I missing some setting or something? Regards, Marco -- Love is like the measles; we all have to go through it. -- Jerome K. Jerome From jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 15:11:31 2012 From: jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com (James Freer) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine doesn't remember sort order imap folders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Dec 2012, Marco Beishuizen wrote: > Hi, > > Since I'm using IMAP alpine doesn't remember the sort order of most mail > folders. I want it to be "reverse thread" (and this works for local folders), > but every time leaving the IMAP folder and opening it later, results in a > folder sorted the other way around or not sorted at all. Then I have to sort > it manually every time. > > Am I missing some setting or something? I think so... not that i'm an expert! Are you using imap downloading headers or "remote" (as i call it!) just looking at the server. I use remote as one is doing linux 6 month upgrades and so i don't see the point of downloading headers. In config one selects "reverse thread"... mirroring what would be on the gmail UI but without the adverts. I think you've got two settings in there somehow (but can't check as i'm typing now). james From jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 15:16:25 2012 From: jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com (James Freer) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine doesn't remember sort order imap folders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Dec 2012, Marco Beishuizen wrote: > Hi, > > Since I'm using IMAP alpine doesn't remember the sort order of most mail > folders. I want it to be "reverse thread" (and this works for local folders), > but every time leaving the IMAP folder and opening it later, results in a > folder sorted the other way around or not sorted at all. Then I have to sort > it manually every time. > > Am I missing some setting or something? > > Regards, > Marco Should have looked before replying... i've got Reverse Arrival selected in Sort Options. james From fetchinson at googlemail.com Mon Dec 17 03:09:04 2012 From: fetchinson at googlemail.com (Daniel Fetchinson) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] saving multiple attachments doesn't work Message-ID: Hi folks, I'm using alpine 2.00 and somehow saving multiple attachments at once doesn't work. I know I should be exporting (E) and then hitting Ctrl-P for AllParts but nothing happens for Ctrl-P. My pine configuration is such that the menu at the bottom is not shown, could that be the reason? If I hit Shift-? the menu does come up but when I hit E for export then I have no way of bringing up the bottom menu because then Shift-? simply inserts a question mark where the prompt is asking for a file name. But I'd suppose the visibility of the bottom menu should not alter the Ctrl-P behavior should it? So I'm kinda confused. Cheers, Daniel -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown From fetchinson at googlemail.com Mon Dec 17 03:52:40 2012 From: fetchinson at googlemail.com (Daniel Fetchinson) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Re: saving multiple attachments doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/17/12, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: > Hi folks, I'm using alpine 2.00 and somehow saving multiple > attachments at once doesn't work. I know I should be exporting (E) and > then hitting Ctrl-P for AllParts but nothing happens for Ctrl-P. My > pine configuration is such that the menu at the bottom is not shown, > could that be the reason? If I hit Shift-? the menu does come up but > when I hit E for export then I have no way of bringing up the bottom > menu because then Shift-? simply inserts a question mark where the > prompt is asking for a file name. > > But I'd suppose the visibility of the bottom menu should not alter the > Ctrl-P behavior should it? > So I'm kinda confused. Actually it's quite unpredictable, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I guess it has to do with correctly formatted email attachments and some are incorrectly formatted? Sometimes pine shows that there are attachments, I can save them individually, but can't save them with Ctrl-P (i.e. nothing happens when I hit Ctrl-P). Very strange.. Cheers, Daniel > Cheers, > Daniel > > > -- > Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown > -- Psss, psss, put it down! - http://www.cafepress.com/putitdown From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 05:40:12 2012 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Re: saving multiple attachments doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: > On 12/17/12, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: >> Hi folks, I'm using alpine 2.00 and somehow saving multiple >> attachments at once doesn't work. I know I should be exporting (E) and >> then hitting Ctrl-P for AllParts but nothing happens for Ctrl-P. My >> pine configuration is such that the menu at the bottom is not shown, >> could that be the reason? If I hit Shift-? the menu does come up but >> when I hit E for export then I have no way of bringing up the bottom >> menu because then Shift-? simply inserts a question mark where the >> prompt is asking for a file name. >> >> But I'd suppose the visibility of the bottom menu should not alter the >> Ctrl-P behavior should it? >> So I'm kinda confused. > > Actually it's quite unpredictable, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. > I guess it has to do with correctly formatted email attachments and > some are incorrectly formatted? > > Sometimes pine shows that there are attachments, I can save them > individually, but can't save them with Ctrl-P (i.e. nothing happens when > I hit Ctrl-P). I have seen this many times and every time I checked, the incoming message was from Apple Mail. So there was something special about certain Apple Mail messages that caused the problem. We have discussed this before but I don't think anything was resolved. Mike From jtwdyp at ttlc.net Sun Dec 30 16:31:23 2012 From: jtwdyp at ttlc.net (JtWdyP) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Filters: how to sort email with missing, invalid or empty, "To:" and/or "From:"? Message-ID: I have a free IMAP account with GMX.COM... I used to like their spam filter. It was aggressive enough that I had to white list many senders. But it trapped (past tense) most of the spam. I normally use fetchmail to pump the remainder through procmail which sorts it into local folders. For every 100 spam messages that made through GMX's filter close to a thousand landed in their spam trap. about once a week I'd use alpine to open GMX's spam folder via imap to visually scan the index for anything I didn't think belonged, and then delete the rest. Of course, to actually modify the white/black lists, I'd have to use their annoying web interface. But other than that, it was all good... Lately though GMX's filter's have only catching about 2% of the spam. At this rate I'm thinking of just disabling the GMX filtering, and using a combination of procmail and alpine filters to deal with it all. But I have no idea how to sort messages without valid: From: and/or To: headers... I don't care if it's a procmail recipe, or an alpine filter, but if somebody could tell me how to filter based on missing and/or malformed To:/From: headers, I'd be ever so grateful... Thanks! -- | ~^~ ~^~ | Joe (theWordy) Philbrook | ^ J(tWdy)P | \___/ <> From robin.listas at telefonica.net Sun Dec 30 18:23:05 2012 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:54 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Filters: how to sort email with missing, invalid or empty, "To:" and/or "From:"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2012-12-30 a las 19:31 -0500, JtWdyP escribi?: > Lately though GMX's filter's have only catching about 2% of the spam. At this > rate I'm thinking of just disabling the GMX filtering, and using a > combination of procmail and alpine filters to deal with it all. But I have no > idea how to sort messages without valid: Rather than using your own filters, use other solutions ready made. For example, you can use spamassassin; when the bayes filter is enabled and trained, the hit ratio is pretty high. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlDg9wkACgkQja8UbcUWM1xZYgD/Y4DKcRS8ZC53ISCxqv89+3UC Xj7HD6MFxG5S/2CGAUUA/09aLOUOxjPuG3hu8kvxfu0AbP+XzP1HW1EnMx7djJEN =oQHP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----