From W.Scheinast at web.de Sat May 5 13:19:44 2012 From: W.Scheinast at web.de (Werner Scheinast) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] URL Viewer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am Sonntag schrieb Eduardo Chappa: > Does /bin/test exist in your system? normally just "test" instead of > "/bin/test" is enough. Dear Eduardo, sorry that I could not reply before the weekend - and yes, /bin/test does exist. I provided the absolute pathnames in a desperate attempt to get it working; they make no difference. See also my reply to Benjamin that I will write in a few minutes. Regards, Werner From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Sat May 5 13:57:42 2012 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine or re-Alpine for Nokia N9 mobile phone. Message-ID: <4FA59446.7070403@gmail.com> I am looking for a version of Alpine or re-Alpine that I can install on my newly purchased Nokia N9. I have yet to receive my phone, but I have tried to do some research on the issue and have come up blank. Can anyone advise? As far as I understand, the N9 OS is MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan. I believe it is a modified version of MeeGo Linux that is most closely related to Maemo Linux. Rather confusing and also why I am unsure where to find information on this issue. Cheers From W.Scheinast at web.de Sat May 5 15:55:04 2012 From: W.Scheinast at web.de (Werner Scheinast) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] URL Viewer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Benjamin, sorry that I could not reply before the weekend. For compensation, I can present the solution which I found right now after extensive testing: I did not include the variable $HOME in curly brackets: ${HOME}. This seems to be necessary. Don't ask me why. This setup now works correctly: # List of programs to open Internet URLs (e.g. http or ftp references). url-viewers=_TEST("test -f ${HOME}/.opera/lock")_ /usr/local/bin/opera, /usr/local/bin/w3m A simple $HOME obviously confused the parser or the sub-shell. It was replaced by something strange, so the test always came out false. In fact, it seems that every shell command containing a $HOME, even something like echo $HOME, makes the _TEST fail. This may be considered a bug; at least, it should be pointed out in the help text. Benjamin, you reported about an error message from Opera. How did you see it? Did you use exactly the URL viewer setup I posted? Do you have both w3m and opera (or something equivalent) installed? Is the above setup now working for you too? Curious, Werner From alpine at nephros.org Sun May 6 01:45:36 2012 From: alpine at nephros.org (Peter G.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine or re-Alpine for Nokia N9 mobile phone. In-Reply-To: <4FA59446.7070403@gmail.com> References: <4FA59446.7070403@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hodie III Non. Mai. MMXII AUC quidam/qu?dam/quoddam 'Brian Durant' inquit: > I am looking for a version of Alpine or re-Alpine that I can install on my > newly purchased Nokia N9. I have yet to receive my phone, but I have tried to > do some research on the issue and have come up blank. Can anyone advise? > > As far as I understand, the N9 OS is MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan. I believe it is a > modified version of MeeGo Linux that is most closely related to Maemo Linux. > Rather confusing and also why I am unsure where to find information on this > issue. There is a SDK for Harmattan available form Nokia. It includes a cross-compiler, qemu-based runtime and Debian build environment for the platform based on squeeze. http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide You could try to build a package from the debian source in that environment. If you're adventurous, you could try to install the prebuilt .deb from here: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/armel/alpine/download but I'm not sure it'll work OOTB. On the other hand, as there is a ssh client the quicker solution would probably be screen (or tmux) with alpine on some server and ssh sesion from the phone. HTH, and let us know if it works. I have an N9 as well and having alpine running on it would be nice indeed. Best of luck Peter G. From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Sun May 6 06:48:11 2012 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine or re-Alpine for Nokia N9 mobile phone. In-Reply-To: References: <4FA59446.7070403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4FA6811B.2000603@gmail.com> On 05/06/2012 10:45 AM, Peter G. wrote: > Hodie III Non. Mai. MMXII AUC quidam/qu?dam/quoddam 'Brian Durant' inquit: > >> I am looking for a version of Alpine or re-Alpine that I can install >> on my newly purchased Nokia N9. I have yet to receive my phone, but I >> have tried to do some research on the issue and have come up blank. >> Can anyone advise? >> >> As far as I understand, the N9 OS is MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan. I believe it >> is a modified version of MeeGo Linux that is most closely related to >> Maemo Linux. Rather confusing and also why I am unsure where to find >> information on this issue. > > There is a SDK for Harmattan available form Nokia. It includes a > cross-compiler, qemu-based runtime and Debian build environment for the > platform based on squeeze. > > http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide > > You could try to build a package from the debian source in that > environment. > > If you're adventurous, you could try to install the prebuilt .deb from > here: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/armel/alpine/download but I'm > not sure it'll work OOTB. > > On the other hand, as there is a ssh client the quicker solution would > probably be screen (or tmux) with alpine on some server and ssh sesion > from the phone. > > HTH, and let us know if it works. I have an N9 as well and having alpine > running on it would be nice indeed. Thanks, I have an old Dell Latitude laptop I can try to install Debian and the Harmattan SDK on. The SDK installer can be found here: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/platform-sdk/ Scratchbox install info can be found here: http://scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html#AEN132 BTW, Any favorite N9 URLs for a new N9 user? As you can guess, I am particularly interested in what can be done from the command line on an N9. Does the N9 use apt as package manager? From alpine at nephros.org Sun May 6 07:36:03 2012 From: alpine at nephros.org (Peter G.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine or re-Alpine for Nokia N9 mobile phone. In-Reply-To: <4FA6811B.2000603@gmail.com> References: <4FA59446.7070403@gmail.com> <4FA6811B.2000603@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hodie pr. Non. Mai. MMXII AUC quidam/qu?dam/quoddam 'Brian Durant' inquit: > BTW, Any favorite N9 URLs for a new N9 user? As you can guess, I am > particularly interested in what can be done from the command line on an N9. > Does the N9 use apt as package manager? Getting a bit off-topic here but yes, Harmattan is quite debianish and uses apt and .deb files. The init system is different (I believe it uses an upstart variant) but normal /etc/init.d scripts seem to work okay (check the developer docs on how that works). Also, Nokia adds the aegis security system which restricts what you can do, but it doesn't really get in your way if you are a regular user. As for tips for a new user, the most important thing when searching the web is to always check what the page talks about exactly. There is Maemo, Harmattan, Meego, Moblin and Tizen which are all related but different. Plus there are the different devices, N800, N900, N950, N9. Also, current Harmattan 1.2 is quite different from older versions. Most info you find does NOT apply to all systems so be careful what you try. As you ask for URLs, here are a couple: http://talk.maemo.org http://apps.formeego.org/applications/ https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/ (I have a bug there, #637 that I would be interested in getting feedback for.) Here's some fun command line hacking: http://shootspeak.com/2011/10/10/nokia-n9-get-extra-functions-by-editing-the-mce-ini-file/ http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php?topic=57010.0 (there's now a regular app for that too) If you're very crazy, there's a way to dual-boot the Google OS on the N9 which might be fun: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=94.0 Have fun, Peter G. -- "I do not think the way you think I think." -- Kai, last of the Brunnen G From alpine at nephros.org Sun May 6 08:15:46 2012 From: alpine at nephros.org (Peter G.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Re: [Re-alpine-devel] re-Alpine for Nokia N9 mobile phone. Message-ID: Hi, Crossposting to both lists sorry, if you get that twice. I was bored today so I tried to get alpine 2.00 from Debian to compile. This is the result: http://public.nephros.org/~nephros/alpine_2.00+dfsg-6_armel.deb http://public.nephros.org/~nephros/alpine-pico_2.00+dfsg-6_armel.deb It installs and launches on the N9, but I have not tested further after seeing that it starts. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! In case someone is interested, the Debian control files I used are here: http://public.nephros.org/~nephros/alpine-2.00-debian.tar.bz2 The main changes are removing kerberos and ldap support to reduce dependencies and setting the c-client build target lnx. The source packages were these: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alpine/alpine_2.00+dfsg.orig.tar.gz http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alpine/alpine_2.00+dfsg-6.diff.gz The build runs quite nicely, except at the linking phase of the final binaries it fails with ../c-client/c-client.a(osdep.o): In function `checkpw': osdep.c:(.text+0x1cb4): undefined reference to `crypt' osdep.c:(.text+0x1d50): undefined reference to `crypt' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[5]: *** [alpine] Error 1 make[5]: Leaving directory `/home/nephros/alpine/alpine-2.00/alpine' This is because the linker flags are in the wrong order; -lcrypt must be specified *after* -lssl which I grasped from this thread: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10368671/cannot-find-libcrypto-library-error I didn't feel like digging through the build system to correct this so I simply did the compile manually correcting the flag order and then running dpkg-buildpackage -h -nc again. Hope you find this useful. Greets, Peter G. From chappa at gmx.com Sun May 6 14:07:48 2012 From: chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] URL Viewer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 6 May 2012, Werner Scheinast wrote: > I did not include the variable $HOME in curly brackets: ${HOME}. This > seems to be necessary. Don't ask me why. This setup now works correctly: Werner, This is a bug in Alpine and Re-Alpine. I have a fix for that bug in my web page at http://patches.freeiz.com/alpine/info/envvar.html I hope this helps. -- Eduardo http://patches.freeiz.com/alpine/ From davidbo at kth.se Tue May 15 06:21:05 2012 From: davidbo at kth.se (David Bonde) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Translate strings Message-ID: I use Alpine in a Swedish context ($LANG=sv_SE.utf8). In the message index view the values in the date column are displayed, as expected, in Swedish. However, when I reply to a mail the attribution line (On Tue May 15 XX wrote:) uses strings in English. How do I make Alpine use localized strings here? From robin.listas at telefonica.net Tue May 15 06:51:57 2012 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Translate strings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: On Tuesday, 2012-05-15 at 13:21 -0000, David Bonde wrote: > I use Alpine in a Swedish context ($LANG=sv_SE.utf8). In the message > index view the values in the date column are displayed, as expected, in > Swedish. However, when I reply to a mail the attribution line (On Tue > May 15 XX wrote:) uses strings in English. How do I make Alpine use > localized strings here? It is a sorely missing feature. I define "reply-leadin" like this: Reply Leadin = El _DATEISO_ a las _TIME24_ _TIMEZONE_, _FROM_ escribi?: For changes in the signature, I use a different role. The result is that when I answered your post, I got this preamble: +++?????????????? On Tuesday, 2012-05-15 at 13:21 -0000, David Bonde wrote: - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) El 2012-05-15 a las 13:21 -0000, David Bonde escribi?: ... quoted message body here ??????????????++- Then I have to delete the language I do not want, and move the signature block to the end. The proper solution would be adjusting "reply-leadin" inside a role, or having a set of leadins corresponding to different languages - but alpine does not have language support, AFAIK. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+yX4UACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WnBwCfakmYgx+LrhV+Paks1hL49Uku Bf0Anjsc5gexEK6tnCTv4QKV1cnWN2jD =ydsw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From davidbo at kth.se Fri May 18 06:11:32 2012 From: davidbo at kth.se (David Bonde) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Set language for spelling Message-ID: I use hunspell for spellchecking in Alpine. The problem is that I write e-mails in several different languages and as far as I can tell, I can't change the language for the spell checking unless I chnage how hunspell is invoked in Alipne's configuration screen. Can I somehow make Alpine (or hunspell) ask which language I want to spellcheck in everytime spellchecking is invoked rather than setting it in the main configuration? From davidbo at kth.se Fri May 18 06:14:23 2012 From: davidbo at kth.se (David Bonde) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Translate strings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 15 May 2012, Carlos E. R. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Content-ID: > > > On Tuesday, 2012-05-15 at 13:21 -0000, David Bonde wrote: > >> I use Alpine in a Swedish context ($LANG=sv_SE.utf8). In the message index >> view the values in the date column are displayed, as expected, in Swedish. >> However, when I reply to a mail the attribution line (On Tue May 15 XX >> wrote:) uses strings in English. How do I make Alpine use localized strings >> here? > > It is a sorely missing feature. > > I define "reply-leadin" like this: > > Reply Leadin = El _DATEISO_ a las _TIME24_ _TIMEZONE_, _FROM_ escribi?: I am not sure I understand you here. Are there similar tokens for Swedish? Where can I find a list of them? > For changes in the signature, I use a different role. The result is that when > I answered your post, I got this preamble: > > > +++?????????????? > On Tuesday, 2012-05-15 at 13:21 -0000, David Bonde wrote: But that is in English? I don't understand what you have accomplished here. Do you think you clarify? Thanks David From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Fri May 18 08:16:35 2012 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Set language for spelling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FB667D3.90903@gmail.com> On 05/18/2012 03:11 PM, David Bonde wrote: > I use hunspell for spellchecking in Alpine. The problem is that I write e-mails in several different languages and as far as I can tell, I can't change the language for the spell checking unless I chnage how hunspell is invoked in Alipne's configuration screen. > > Can I somehow make Alpine (or hunspell) ask which language I want to spellcheck in everytime spellchecking is invoked rather than setting it in the main configuration?_______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info Hi David, Someone more knowledgeable on the list is welcome to correct me, but I believe multilingual spell checking can only be implemented if you are using an external editor with Alpine. There is a posting here on using Vim for multilingual spell checking: http://www.salixos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3064&hilit=+vim From W.Scheinast at web.de Fri May 18 11:31:10 2012 From: W.Scheinast at web.de (Werner Scheinast) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Translate strings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am Today schrieb David Bonde: > Are there similar tokens for Swedish? > Where can I find a list of them? His reply-leadin is not localized, but customized. In M-S-C (main menu -> Setup -> Config) you have an item "reply-leadin" with a tedious, but in- formative help text. Take some time and read it. It will also provide a list of these "special" tokens. Only a few of them follow your localiza- tion (like the "SMARTDATES" variants). My leadin above was accomplished by Am _SMARTDATES3_ schrieb _FROM_: ... but you see, the word "Today" is not localized (German), only an ex- plicit date would be localized here. So, in general, the localization is poor. HTH Werner From robin.listas at telefonica.net Fri May 18 15:35:14 2012 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Translate strings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: On Friday, 2012-05-18 at 20:31 +0200, Werner Scheinast wrote: El 2012-05-18 a las 20:31 +0200, Werner Scheinast escribi?: >> Are there similar tokens for Swedish? >> Where can I find a list of them? > > His reply-leadin is not localized, but customized. In M-S-C (main menu -> > Setup -> Config) you have an item "reply-leadin" with a tedious, but in- > formative help text. Take some time and read it. It will also provide a > list of these "special" tokens. Only a few of them follow your localiza- > tion (like the "SMARTDATES" variants). > My leadin above was accomplished by > Am _SMARTDATES3_ schrieb _FROM_: > ... but you see, the word "Today" is not localized (German), only an ex- > plicit date would be localized here. So, in general, the localization is > poor. Exactly. And I don't remember exactly why or how, I get two such strings, one the original english one, two my customized string - like above. I delete the one i do not want on every post I make. Tedious, but it works. ^K deletes line, reposition the cursor, ^U undeletes in the new position. It is a fast copypaste of entire lines. There is no language support in Alpine. Not even possible to customize using roles. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+2zqsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WbcQCfZ1CWGFoLl5zSpn0YrZlBPAnn YrcAnRmvxd2q5m/VsVSzkfRk9XCe1o7m =HlBF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robin.listas at telefonica.net Fri May 18 15:49:33 2012 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Set language for spelling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2012-05-18 at 13:11 -0000, David Bonde wrote: > I use hunspell for spellchecking in Alpine. The problem is that I write > e-mails in several different languages and as far as I can tell, I can't > change the language for the spell checking unless I chnage how hunspell > is invoked in Alipne's configuration screen. I do it with a script. First I define the setting in alpine: Speller = alpine_aspell Then I have the script "/usr/local/bin/alpine_aspell": #!/bin/bash read -p "Aspell: Select language: (US) UK ES FR " -s -n 1 case $REPLY in 2|[Uu]) opts=( -l en_GB.UTF-8 ) ;; 3|[Ee]) opts=( -l es_ES.UTF-8 ) ;; 4|[Ff]) opts=( -l fr_FR.UTF-8 ) ;; *) opts=( -l en_US.UTF-8 ) ;; esac exec aspell ${opts[@]} -e -c $1 You just have to edit the script to add languages. This was done with help from people in this mail list: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:53:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos E. R. <> To: Alpine-alpha Subject: [Alpine-alpha] feature request: choose language for spell-check, dynamically. or Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:42:32 +0200 (EET) From: Iosif Fettich <> To: Alpine Forum List Subject: [Alpine-info] Managing a few different spell-checkers - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+20f0ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XisACePmsOL2aPR5B5FQNo7kzGCDzz dkUAn2ztd/Biz3poonhCBn+g/KSuUqfW =KH26 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com Fri May 25 15:06:53 2012 From: jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com (James Freer) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Message index customisation Message-ID: I was wondering if it was possible to have just the sender and subject in the message index. I went through the Setup and couldn't see anything but was hoping someone could confirm either way. thanks james From mattack at apple.com Fri May 25 19:00:04 2012 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:14:53 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Message index customisation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 25 May 2012, James Freer wrote: >I was wondering if it was possible to have just the sender and subject >in the message index. > >I went through the Setup and couldn't see anything but was hoping >someone could confirm either way. Read the settings about Index Format Index Format = STATUS MSGNO SMARTDATETIME FROMORTO(33%) S