From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Sun Oct 1 09:20:11 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] copy of PC-Alpine version 2.00 Message-ID: Dear Alpinenists, I went to the UW web site to download a copy of their last release for PC-Alpine, but I found instead the following note: "Software and source code is no longer available from the University of Washington. It is recommended to evaluate one of the alternative versions of this software supported by the community. A wikipedia page that tracks continued community development, and provides links to patched versions of the software is available here." The link points to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client) Is there anyone out there that has a copy of the zip file with the binary release of alpine version 2.00? I want the full zip file, not just alpine.exe. If anyone can share it with me, I would appreciate it. Thank you. -- Eduardo http://bit.ly/2vyvUeF (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://bit.ly/2vyL1oo (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From bl10 at cam.ac.uk Sun Oct 1 09:44:48 2017 From: bl10 at cam.ac.uk (Barry Landy) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] copy of PC-Alpine version 2.00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have one but my provider does not allow me to send ZIPs with binaris I have put it into my dropbox and shared it with you (I hope!) On Sun, 1 Oct 2017, Eduardo Chappa wrote: :>Dear Alpinenists, :> :> I went to the UW web site to download a copy of their last release for :>PC-Alpine, but I found instead the following note: :> :>"Software and source code is no longer available from the University of :>Washington. It is recommended to evaluate one of the alternative versions of :>this software supported by the community. A wikipedia page that tracks :>continued community development, and provides links to patched versions of the :>software is available here." :> :>The link points to: :> :>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client) :> :>Is there anyone out there that has a copy of the zip file with the binary :>release of alpine version 2.00? I want the full zip file, not just alpine.exe. :>If anyone can share it with me, I would appreciate it. :> :>Thank you. :> :> -- Barry Landy Home: +44-1223-570417 192, Gilbert Road College: +44-1223-362062 Cambridge CB4 3PB Efax: +44-870-458-0205 England Email BL10@cam.ac.uk From schamane at fam.tuwien.ac.at Sun Oct 1 09:47:11 2017 From: schamane at fam.tuwien.ac.at (Andreas Schamanek) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] copy of PC-Alpine version 2.00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Eduardo, I have a copy of 2.10. Will send it off-list. -- -- Andreas :-) From lists at pote.com Sun Oct 1 09:52:45 2017 From: lists at pote.com (Paul) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] copy of PC-Alpine version 2.00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It appears to be available here: https://fossies.org/windows/mail/alpine/alpine-2.00-wnt.zip/ On October 1, 2017, at 12:20pm, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > Dear Alpinenists, > > I went to the UW web site to download a copy of their last release for > PC-Alpine, but I found instead the following note: > > "Software and source code is no longer available from the University of > Washington. It is recommended to evaluate one of the alternative versions of > this software supported by the community. A wikipedia page that tracks > continued community development, and provides links to patched versions of > the software is available here." > > The link points to: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client) > > Is there anyone out there that has a copy of the zip file with the binary > release of alpine version 2.00? I want the full zip file, not just > alpine.exe. If anyone can share it with me, I would appreciate it. > > Thank you. > > -- > Eduardo > http://bit.ly/2vyvUeF (Web) > http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) > RSS: http://bit.ly/2vyL1oo (Web updates) > RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > > > From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Sun Oct 1 09:55:16 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] copy of PC-Alpine version 2.00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Oct 2017, Paul wrote: > It appears to be available here: > https://fossies.org/windows/mail/alpine/alpine-2.00-wnt.zip/ Thank you so much! That is what I was looking for! And thanks everyone for your quick replies! -- Eduardo http://bit.ly/2vyvUeF (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://bit.ly/2vyL1oo (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From andretta at apf.it Tue Oct 3 07:56:16 2017 From: andretta at apf.it (Paolo Andretta) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] sort++ Message-ID: Is it possible to sort messagges for more than one option/key? I noticied that often if I sort mails by subject or by From, they aren't ordered from date o arrival, as I expect, as second key. -- Thanks, Paolo ____________________________________________ From pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com Fri Oct 6 03:49:00 2017 From: pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] bad path given by alpine for HTML part of mails Message-ID: hi, while reading a mail, if I type "V", and then click on "Text/HTML" alpine gives a wrong path, For example, instead of /tmp/img--12833.htm I get file:///home/frenkiel//tmp/img--12833.htm and of course the browser can't open it It seems that the problem doesn't come from .pinerc , as it doesn't happen for other users with similar .pinerc. Can anybody explain that? best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Fri Oct 6 08:14:41 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] bad path given by alpine for HTML part of mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > while reading a mail, if I type "V", and then click on "Text/HTML" > alpine gives a wrong path, For example, instead of > /tmp/img--12833.htm > I get > file:///home/frenkiel//tmp/img--12833.htm > > and of course the browser can't open it Pierre, take a look at your mailcap file under the text/html line. In particular /etc/mailcap and ~/.mailcap. Does this help explain what you are seeing? -- Eduardo http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com Sat Oct 7 06:33:37 2017 From: pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] bad path given by alpine for HTML part of mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Oct 2017, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > take a look at your mailcap file under the text/html line. In particular > /etc/mailcap and ~/.mailcap. Does this help explain what you are seeing? hi Eduardo, thank you for your reply. You are right, and shame on me: I should have been aware that if the body links are opened according the url-browser alpine parameter, the attached files are opened according their mime type, i.e. the corresponding entry in .mailcap. Actually, the script for text/html has a bug, and correcting this bug solved the problem. best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Sat Oct 7 10:44:25 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] S/MIME support in PC-Alpine Message-ID: Dear Alpine Enthusiasts, I have worked in the last few days in enabling S/MIME support for PC-Alpine, and I would like to know if those that use PC-Alpine would be willing to test it. I have not tested it much, because I spend most of my time in the Linux side of the world. This implementation is based on integrating PC-Alpine with LibreSSL (from http://libressl.org) and as far as I can see, it works well, but I need to know what works, and what needs to be fixed for the Windows version. If you are interested, I can easily package what I have and give it to you to try. Please send me a message and I will tell you how to download it. One more question, maybe someone here knows how to answer this. I want to redistribute the necessary DLLs from the LibreSSL web site, or failing that, compile my own and redistribute those, I want to do that either as part of the source code of Alpine or in a separate package. Does anyone know enough about licenses that can tell me if I can do anything like this? I asked in the LibreSSL mailing list about a week ago already, but have not received any reply about it about it so far. Thank you!. -- Eduardo http://bit.ly/2vyvUeF (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://bit.ly/2vyL1oo (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From andretta at apf.it Mon Oct 9 02:54:20 2017 From: andretta at apf.it (Paolo Andretta) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] sort++ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Paolo Andretta wrote: > Is it possible to sort messagges for more than one option/key? > I noticied that often if I sort mails by subject or by From, they aren't > ordered from date o arrival, as I expect, as second key. Any hints? -- Thanks, Paolo ____________________________________________ From elcaio at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 06:30:59 2017 From: elcaio at gmail.com (caio) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Hide Parts/Attachments in header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, Nobody knows how can hide the parts/attachments part from header when viewing a message? Thanks. On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:22 AM, caio wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to hide the "Parts/Attachments:" from headers, which is > automatically shown when I open the email message. > > The OPTION: Viewer Headers seem to not include the parts/attachements > options. > > Thanks, and best regards. > Claudio > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 06:50:49 2017 From: pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Hide Parts/Attachments in header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Oct 2017, caio wrote: > Hello, > Nobody knows how can hide the parts/attachments part from header when > viewing a message? I could not find how to hide them completely, but disabling (i.e. de-select in the setup) the line: Enable Message View Attachment Links supress the highlighting of the attachments, and then the down key goes directly to the 1st body link (if any) best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel From elcaio at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 07:44:50 2017 From: elcaio at gmail.com (caio) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Hide Parts/Attachments in header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Pierre, On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Mon, 9 Oct 2017, caio wrote: > > Hello, >> Nobody knows how can hide the parts/attachments part from header when >> viewing a message? >> > > I could not find how to hide them completely, but disabling > (i.e. de-select in the setup) the line: > > Enable Message View Attachment Links > > supress the highlighting of the attachments, and then the down key > goes directly to the 1st body link (if any) Yes, already unset this option. Anyway, thanks for your reply. Claudio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Sun Oct 22 11:12:29 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Hide Parts/Attachments in header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, caio wrote: > I want to hide the "Parts/Attachments:" from headers, which is > automatically shown when I open the email message. > > The?OPTION: Viewer Headers seem to not include the parts/attachements > options. Dear Claudio, There is no "Parts/Attachments:" header, so this cannot be suppressed using the Viewer Headers. This is a summary of the organization of the body of the message to tell you that there are attachments to the message you are viewing, This part is always displayed, and it cannot be committed. -- Eduardo http://bit.ly/2vyvUeF (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://bit.ly/2vyL1oo (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From thomas at gramstad.no Mon Oct 23 13:55:23 2017 From: thomas at gramstad.no (Thomas Gramstad) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How to add file list to Bcc: ? (fwd) Message-ID: I have a file with one long line of about 250 comma-separated e-mail addresses. I want to read this file into the Bcc: field in an outgoing onetime message in Alpine. (to send them an invitation link to slack; they are the second half of the members in a small association, the first half having "used up" the individual link facility inside slack) How do I do it? If I try Ctrl-J while standing in the Bcc: field, the file is mysteriously added as an attachment to the next line, "Attachment:". Thomas Gramstad From bl10 at cam.ac.uk Mon Oct 23 14:01:58 2017 From: bl10 at cam.ac.uk (Barry Landy) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How to add file list to Bcc: ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: control J always adds to the attachment field. Maybew you could try setting up a list entry in the address book (multiple addresses under one alias) and copying your list of 250 via cut and paste? Then put that alias in the bcc field. On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Thomas Gramstad wrote: :>I have a file with one long line of about 250 comma-separated e-mail :>addresses. I want to read this file into the Bcc: field in an outgoing onetime :>message in Alpine. (to send them an invitation link to slack; they are the :>second half of the members in a small association, the first half having "used :>up" the individual link facility inside slack) :> :>How do I do it? If I try Ctrl-J while standing in the Bcc: field, the file is :>mysteriously added as an attachment to the next line, "Attachment:". :> :>Thomas Gramstad :>_______________________________________________ :>Alpine-info mailing list :>Alpine-info@u.washington.edu :>http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info :> -- Barry Landy Home: +44-1223-570417 192, Gilbert Road College: +44-1223-362062 Cambridge CB4 3PB Efax: +44-870-458-0205 England Email BL10@cam.ac.uk From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Mon Oct 23 14:03:49 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How to add file list to Bcc: ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Thomas Gramstad wrote: > I have a file with one long line of about 250 comma-separated e-mail > addresses. I want to read this file into the Bcc: field in an outgoing > onetime message in Alpine. [...] > > How do I do it? Dear Thomas, there is no direct way to do this. Try the following: In the composer (assuming it is Pico) press ^R to insert the file with the addresses into the text of the message, then use the ^K command to delete the line(s) that contain the addresses in question, and move to the headers section, and use ^U to paste the text you deleted with the ^K command. > If I try Ctrl-J while standing in the Bcc: field, the file is > mysteriously added as an attachment to the next line, "Attachment:". Yes, the ^J command is a command to include attachments. It works in any of the headers in the headers section. -- Eduardo http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From birnbaumsssj at panix.com Mon Oct 23 14:09:54 2017 From: birnbaumsssj at panix.com (Freda B Birnbaum) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How to add file list to Bcc: ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Thomas Gramstad wrote: > I have a file with one long line of about 250 comma-separated e-mail > addresses. I want to read this file into the Bcc: field in an outgoing > onetime message in Alpine. (to send them an invitation link to slack; they > are the second half of the members in a small association, the first half > having "used up" the individual link facility inside slack) > > How do I do it? If I try Ctrl-J while standing in the Bcc: field, the file is > mysteriously added as an attachment to the next line, "Attachment:". I accomplish this by including the file at the top of my email meassage using ^r and then using ^k to cut it and then ^u to paste it into the Bcc: (or cc: if desired) line, and not putting it back into the top of the email message. Freda Birnbaum From mattack at apple.com Mon Oct 23 15:24:55 2017 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How to add file list to Bcc: ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Thomas Gramstad wrote: > I have a file with one long line of about 250 comma-separated e-mail addresses. > I want to read this file into the Bcc: field in an outgoing onetime message in > Alpine. (to send them an invitation link to slack; they are the second half of > the members in a small association, the first half having "used up" the > individual link facility inside slack) What kind of a computer are you on? If you're on a Mac, you could do: cat addresses | pbcopy then in alpine cmd-V to paste the items into the Bcc: field. There may be similar functionality on other computers. If not, come in, the water's warm. From mepstein at illinois.edu Mon Oct 23 15:46:22 2017 From: mepstein at illinois.edu (Milt Epstein) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How to add file list to Bcc: ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not saying it's the best way to do this, but sounds like xclip and xsel are similar to pbcopy. As to the water being warm, I think that's what the frog said before he realized it was too late :-). Milt Epstein mepstein@illinois.edu On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Matt Ackeret wrote: > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Thomas Gramstad wrote: > > I have a file with one long line of about 250 comma-separated e-mail addresses. > > I want to read this file into the Bcc: field in an outgoing onetime message in > > Alpine. (to send them an invitation link to slack; they are the second half of > > the members in a small association, the first half having "used up" the > > individual link facility inside slack) > > What kind of a computer are you on? > > If you're on a Mac, you could do: > > cat addresses | pbcopy > then in alpine cmd-V to paste the items into the Bcc: field. > > There may be similar functionality on other computers. If not, come in, the > water's warm. > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > From paul at jakma.org Tue Oct 24 01:18:11 2017 From: paul at jakma.org (Paul Jakma) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Message time shown with incorrect TZ with MS office365.com IMAP Message-ID: Hi, I'm having an issue with the displayed times of received messages. They all seem to be in the wrong time-zone. I.e., neither in the timezone of the sender, nor of my own computer. I do not have "FEATURE: Convert Dates To Localtime" set (and ideally do not want to have to set that - I want to see the time the user sent, in their TZ, with their GMT offset displayed). E.g., here is the "Date:" of a message in normal view: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 08:44:05 +0000 However, with 'h' header-mode view I see: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 09:44:05 +0100 Which is the date I /expected/ to see, as the sender tells me they have their computer TZ as BST (British Summer Time). A time in the +0100 TZ is what other Outlook users see, and what Evolution (using EWS) and Thunderbird display. Looking at the .pine-debug, with -d 4, I saw: IMAP DEBUG 10:53:49 10/23: * 2078 FETCH (UID 8152 ENVELOPE ("Mon, 23 Oct 2017 08:44:05 +0000" ... IMAP DEBUG 10:53:49 10/23: INTERNALDATE "23-Oct-2017 09:44:06 +0100" RFC822.SIZE 35715 FLAGS (\Seen)) Bit stranger, this is actually what Evolution shows for this message, in its normal message pane (via EWS, not IMAP): Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 08:44:05 +0000 (23/10/17 09:44:05) If I use "View" -> "Message source" in Evolution on this message I get: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 08:44:05 +0000 With Evolution using IMAP, I see this in the normal message pane: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 09:44:05 +0100 And message source (IMAP): Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 09:44:05 +0100 regards, -- Paul Jakma | paul@jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A Fortune: Boren's Laws: (1) When in charge, ponder. (2) When in trouble, delegate. (3) When in doubt, mumble. From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it Wed Oct 25 02:20:04 2017 From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How to add file list to Bcc: ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Thomas Gramstad wrote: > I have a file with one long line of about 250 comma-separated > e-mail addresses. I want to read this file into the Bcc: field in > an outgoing onetime message in Alpine. as other said, ctl-J *always* attaches a file I am not sure whether there is a way to read in a file of addresses while in addressbook mode (M A). But see trick at the end. I always did (moderate length) distribution lists in addressbook as list of other nicknames. For longer lists I (we) use another approach outside pine, which however requires at least root capability once. In /etc/aliases you should define ONCE an alias (e.g. "mylist") pointing to an include file e.g. (the path is an example) :include:/user/gramstad/MailingLists/mylist.txt Then if you have write access to /user/gramstad you can edit at any time mylist.txt adding and deleting recipients. In the alpine addressbook you define a nick for mylist@yourdomain. In our arrangement (an institute-wide NIS domain) the definition of the include file is entered once by the system administrator in the NIS aliases map, and the disk /user is an NFS-mounted filesystem accessible by all our users. Of course there is a third way, which is using a mail exploder like mailman. Overshoot if a one-shot only list. Thinking of a fourth way not requiring root capability. Compose a mail message to yourself and INCLUDE (^R) into it your text file with the addresses, and send it to yourself. Then read the message and issue the following sequence: T A L A T mylist which is T ake addresses A into addressbook L toggle List mode A select All of them (you can also select manually if you wish) T take (finalize) enter nickname mylist or whatever I just tried the trick without saving the result and it works. -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nature (http://tinyurl.com/natureaboutrenzi) 09/12/2016 says: "Italian scientists won't miss departing Prime Minister Matteo Renzi" From bl10 at cam.ac.uk Wed Oct 25 05:51:32 2017 From: bl10 at cam.ac.uk (Barry Landy) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How to add file list to Bcc: ? (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 4th way is clever and certainly works! On Wed, 25 Oct 2017, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: :>On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Thomas Gramstad wrote: :> :>> I have a file with one long line of about 250 comma-separated :>> e-mail addresses. I want to read this file into the Bcc: field in :>> an outgoing onetime message in Alpine. :> :>as other said, ctl-J *always* attaches a file :> :>I am not sure whether there is a way to read in a file of addresses while in :>addressbook mode (M A). But see trick at the end. :> :>I always did (moderate length) distribution lists in addressbook as list of :>other nicknames. :> :>For longer lists I (we) use another approach outside pine, which however :>requires at least root capability once. In /etc/aliases you should define ONCE :>an alias (e.g. "mylist") pointing to an include file e.g. (the path is an :>example) :> :>:include:/user/gramstad/MailingLists/mylist.txt :> :>Then if you have write access to /user/gramstad you can edit at any time :>mylist.txt adding and deleting recipients. In the alpine addressbook you :>define a nick for mylist@yourdomain. :> :>In our arrangement (an institute-wide NIS domain) the definition of the :>include file is entered once by the system administrator in the NIS aliases :>map, and the disk /user is an NFS-mounted filesystem accessible by all our :>users. :> :> :>Of course there is a third way, which is using a mail exploder like mailman. :>Overshoot if a one-shot only list. :> :> :>Thinking of a fourth way not requiring root capability. Compose a mail message :>to yourself and INCLUDE (^R) into it your text file with the addresses, and :>send it to yourself. :> :>Then read the message and issue the following sequence: T A L A T mylist :>which is :> :> T ake addresses :> A into addressbook :> L toggle List mode :> A select All of them (you can also select manually if you wish) :> T take (finalize) :> enter nickname mylist or whatever :> :>I just tried the trick without saving the result and it works. :> :> -- Barry Landy Home: +44-1223-570417 192, Gilbert Road College: +44-1223-362062 Cambridge CB4 3PB Efax: +44-870-458-0205 England Email BL10@cam.ac.uk From robin.listas at telefonica.net Fri Oct 27 04:23:16 2017 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How do I identify a folder on a Role? Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have just defined an imap folder thus: incoming-folders="Tesa L imap" {imap.telefonica.net}INBOX, .... Now, I want to use a default role for it. I already have one for other folders, which I activate thus: Current Folder Type = Set Choose One --- -------------------- ( ) Any ( ) News ( ) Email (*) Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T) Folder List = {imap.telefonica.net}INBOX {localhost}_Lists/os-en {localhost}_Lists/os-other But when I reply to an email on that folder ({imap.telefonica.net}INBOX) the role does not activate and Alpine asks which role to use or none. I also tried to "use ^T", which resulted in: (*) Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T) Folder List = Tesa L imap {localhost}_Lists/os-en {localhost}_Lists/os-other But it also doesn't work. On other folders it does work. How should I do it? I use "alpine-2.21-102.1.x86_64" on openSUSE Leap 42.2 - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlnzFyQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UriQCeJeRJX5mksqLPIzGNyepGufY+ C5AAn0+61Rf5WP9YuvxU8CQk3LlvC3UE =fh6b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Fri Oct 27 07:09:32 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How do I identify a folder on a Role? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Carlos E. R. wrote: > But when I reply to an email on that folder ({imap.telefonica.net}INBOX) > the role does not activate and Alpine asks which role to use or none. > > I also tried to "use ^T", which resulted in: > > (*) Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T) > Folder List = Tesa L imap > {localhost}_Lists/os-en > {localhost}_Lists/os-other > > But it also doesn't work. Carlos, I imagine you set up the role Reply Use = Set Choose One --- -------------------- ( ) Never ( ) With confirmation (*) Without confirmation Right? If this is not the issue, can you send me a copy of the line that defines the role from your .pinerc so I can see what is Alpine setting up in your case. I cannot reproduce this issue here. Thank you. -- Eduardo http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From clc at zephyr-software.com Fri Oct 27 07:39:15 2017 From: clc at zephyr-software.com (Clark Coleman) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine thinks it is starting for the first time Message-ID: Had file server and DNS trouble in our department yesterday. In the midst of it, I started alpine on Linux and it said it was trying to create a mail subdirectory to store folders, then it said that directory already existed and exited. So, it seems that alpine thinks it is starting for the first time when it is not. What file corruption do I need to fix? Clark Coleman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Oct 27 11:13:03 2017 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. Message-ID: Hi all, Will ask this question first simply. Hoping i can get a basic answer. My office mail server is mail.curtainupdistribution.org I am getting very often errors stating that my own mail server is not connecting well with the server that houses my mail, at dreamhost. I was given a server suggestion, for their side of the communication, and told the configuration can be done on my end. If so, which option in alpine configuration allows me to specify the mail server that my own server must contact? Thanks, Karen "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela. From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Fri Oct 27 11:39:26 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine thinks it is starting for the first time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Clark Coleman wrote: > Had file server and DNS trouble in our department yesterday. In the > midst of it, I started alpine on Linux and it said it was trying to > create a mail subdirectory to store folders, then it said that directory > already existed and exited. > So, it seems that alpine thinks it is starting for the first time when > it is not. What file corruption do I need to fix? Dear Clark, this error means that Alpine tried to stat() the mail directory, and the stat() command returned an error. Is the mail directory writable? searchable? readable? Thank you. -- Eduardo http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From clc at zephyr-software.com Fri Oct 27 11:42:16 2017 From: clc at zephyr-software.com (Clark Coleman) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine thinks it is starting for the first time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will have to wait for the file server issues to be resolved by the staff. Probably nothing alpine-specific to do but wait for them. Thanks for the info. Clark On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Clark Coleman wrote: > > Had file server and DNS trouble in our department yesterday. In the midst >> of it, I started alpine on Linux and it said it was trying to create a mail >> subdirectory to store folders, then it said that directory already existed >> and exited. >> So, it seems that alpine thinks it is starting for the first time when it >> is not. What file corruption do I need to fix? >> > > Dear Clark, > > this error means that Alpine tried to stat() the mail directory, and the > stat() command returned an error. Is the mail directory writable? > searchable? readable? > > Thank you. > > -- > Eduardo > http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) > http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) > RSS: http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) > RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) > -- Clark L. Coleman Principal Scientist Zephyr Software LLC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Fri Oct 27 11:43:03 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > My office mail server is > mail.curtainupdistribution.org > [...] which option in alpine configuration allows me to specify the mail > server that my own server must contact? Dear Karen, this is a setting in the inbox-path. Edit your .pinerc file and make sure your inbox-path says something along the lines of inbox-path={mail.curtainupdistribution.org/ssl/user=YourId}INBOX replace "YourId" by whatever dreamhost told you your id is (sometimes it is an email address, sometimes is just the part before the @ in an email address. The details of what your login name are will be given to you by Dreamhost.) Does this help? -- Eduardo http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Oct 27 11:56:29 2017 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not really, because my inbox path already has my server in it. The error I get sometimes says that the ssl negotiation is failing. I try again, and get through. granted alpine tends to close my inbox within 30 seconds to a minute, but I am used to that by now. the suggested server to manage their side of the ssl negotiation is not my mail server, but one of theirs. If there is no simple solution, I will just deal with the mayhem. I admit though my dreamhost experiences do not give me much faith in alpine. fortunately we still have pine at shellworld. Karen On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> My office mail server is >> mail.curtainupdistribution.org >> [...] which option in alpine configuration allows me to specify the mail >> server that my own server must contact? > > Dear Karen, > > this is a setting in the inbox-path. Edit your .pinerc file and make sure > your inbox-path says something along the lines of > > inbox-path={mail.curtainupdistribution.org/ssl/user=YourId}INBOX > > replace "YourId" by whatever dreamhost told you your id is (sometimes it is > an email address, sometimes is just the part before the @ in an email > address. The details of what your login name are will be given to you by > Dreamhost.) > > Does this help? > > -- > Eduardo > http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) > http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) > RSS: http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) > RSS: http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) > > > From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Fri Oct 27 12:09:01 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Not really, > because my inbox path already has my server in it. Karen, look at your original message. I answered the question you asked... > The error I get sometimes says that the ssl negotiation is failing. I > try again, and get through. granted alpine tends to close my inbox > within 30 seconds to a minute, but I am used to that by now. the > suggested server to manage their side of the ssl negotiation is not my > mail server, but one of theirs. Aha! that's a different issue. Well, if you tell me the exact error message we can look into it. However, it seems that Dreamhost's server is timing you out on a very short period of time. Try setting Mail Check Interval = 15 and see how that changes your experience. You might also need to adjust the values of these variables: TCP Open Timeout = TCP Read Warning Timeout = TCP Write Warning Timeout = TCP Query Timeout = > If there is no simple solution, I will just deal with the mayhem. I > admit though my dreamhost experiences do not give me much faith in > alpine. fortunately we still have pine at shellworld. There have been many changes from Pine 4.64 to Alpine. Try Alpine and see if that works better for you. I believe everyone in this list already moved to Alpine years ago... -- Eduardo http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Oct 27 12:30:13 2017 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1, I could care less what everyone whom ever they are has done. I use pine daily without issue. I use alpine daily with regular issues. I have years worth of communications, and if a company cannot produce a better alpine experience, I am not going to Gamble more than I must. 2, you did not answer my first question, although I might have specified options within alpine settings. I have no idea where the actual config files are, I am logging into a shell provided by dreamhost, who has my office account. 3, where are those mail options to check? are they specific settings within alpine? Karen On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> Not really, >> because my inbox path already has my server in it. > > Karen, look at your original message. I answered the question you asked... > >> The error I get sometimes says that the ssl negotiation is failing. I try >> again, and get through. granted alpine tends to close my inbox within 30 >> seconds to a minute, but I am used to that by now. the suggested server >> to manage their side of the ssl negotiation is not my mail server, but one >> of theirs. > > Aha! that's a different issue. Well, if you tell me the exact error message > we can look into it. However, it seems that Dreamhost's server is timing you > out on a very short period of time. Try setting > > Mail Check Interval = 15 > > and see how that changes your experience. You might also need to adjust the > values of these variables: > > TCP Open Timeout = > TCP Read Warning Timeout = > TCP Write Warning Timeout = > TCP Query Timeout = > >> If there is no simple solution, I will just deal with the mayhem. I admit >> though my dreamhost experiences do not give me much faith in alpine. >> fortunately we still have pine at shellworld. > > There have been many changes from Pine 4.64 to Alpine. Try Alpine and see if > that works better for you. I believe everyone in this list already moved to > Alpine years ago... > > -- > Eduardo > http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) > http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) > RSS: http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) > RSS: http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) > > > From mepstein at illinois.edu Fri Oct 27 12:54:14 2017 From: mepstein at illinois.edu (Milt Epstein) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > 1, I could care less what everyone whom ever they are has done. I use pine I think that's what the people at Equifax said when they decided not to update their systems. > daily without issue. I use alpine daily with regular issues. I have years > worth of communications, and if a company cannot produce a better alpine > experience, I am not going to Gamble more than I must. > 2, you did not answer my first question, although I might have specified > options within alpine settings. > I have no idea where the actual config files are, I am logging into a shell > provided by dreamhost, who has my office account. > 3, where are those mail options to check? are they specific settings within > alpine? > Karen > > > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > >> Not really, > >> because my inbox path already has my server in it. > > > > Karen, look at your original message. I answered the question you asked... > > > >> The error I get sometimes says that the ssl negotiation is failing. I try > >> again, and get through. granted alpine tends to close my inbox within 30 > >> seconds to a minute, but I am used to that by now. the suggested server > >> to manage their side of the ssl negotiation is not my mail server, but one > >> of theirs. > > > > Aha! that's a different issue. Well, if you tell me the exact error message > > we can look into it. However, it seems that Dreamhost's server is timing you > > out on a very short period of time. Try setting > > > > Mail Check Interval = 15 > > > > and see how that changes your experience. You might also need to adjust the > > values of these variables: > > > > TCP Open Timeout = > > TCP Read Warning Timeout = > > TCP Write Warning Timeout = > > TCP Query Timeout = > > > >> If there is no simple solution, I will just deal with the mayhem. I admit > >> though my dreamhost experiences do not give me much faith in alpine. > >> fortunately we still have pine at shellworld. > > > > There have been many changes from Pine 4.64 to Alpine. Try Alpine and see if > > that works better for you. I believe everyone in this list already moved to > > Alpine years ago... > > > > -- > > Eduardo > > http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) > > http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) > > RSS: http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) > > RSS: http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > > From robin.listas at telefonica.net Fri Oct 27 13:07:22 2017 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How do I identify a folder on a Role? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2017-10-27 at 08:09 -0600, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> But when I reply to an email on that folder ({imap.telefonica.net}INBOX) >> the role does not activate and Alpine asks which role to use or none. >> >> I also tried to "use ^T", which resulted in: >> >> (*) Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T) >> Folder List = Tesa L imap >> {localhost}_Lists/os-en >> {localhost}_Lists/os-other >> >> But it also doesn't work. > > Carlos, > > I imagine you set up the role > > Reply Use = > Set Choose One > --- -------------------- > ( ) Never > ( ) With confirmation > (*) Without confirmation > > Right? I have Reply Use = Set Choose One --- -------------------- ( ) Never (*) With confirmation ( ) Without confirmation and I get asked with no role selected: Press Return to Reply using no role, or ^T to select a role ? Help Ret [Reply] ^T To Select Role ^C Cancel On other folders I get the expected role selected, I just have to press enter. > > If this is not the issue, can you send me a copy of the line that defines > the role from your .pinerc so I can see what is Alpine setting up in your > case. I cannot reproduce this issue here. I have: incoming-folders="Tesa L imap" {imap.telefonica.net}INBOX, "Via coitt" {localhost/novalidate-cert/user=cer}in_coitt, ... and the role is: LIT:pattern="/NICK=Carlos E. R. (tesa - lists)/COMM=English lists role\\n/FLDTYPE=SPEC/FOLDER=Tesa L imap,{localhost}_Lists\/os-en,{localhost}_Lists\/os-other,{localhost}_Lists\/os-prgrmmng,{localhost}_Lists\/os-security,{localhost}_Lists\/os-factory,{localhost}_Lists\/os-factory,{localhost}_Lists\/os-wiki,{localhost}_Lists\/os-gnme,{localhost}_Lists\/vsf-sf_lists,{localhost}_Lists\/in_dups,{localhost}_Lists\/list-sent,{localhost}_Lists\/os-gnme,{localhost}_Lists\/os-ot,{localhost}_Lists\/os-oth,{localhost}_Lists\/os-en,{localhost}_Lists\/os-factory,{localhost}_Lists\/os-other,{localhost}_Lists\/os-prgrmmng,{localhost}_Lists\/os-project,{localhost}_Lists\/os-project,{localhost}_Lists\/os-security,{localhost}_Lists\/os-security,{localhost}_Lists\/os-trans,{localhost}_Lists\/os-wiki,{localhost}_Lists\/os-gnme,{localhost}_Lists\/os-kernel,{localhost}_Lists\/os-java,{localhost}_Lists\/uw-alpine,{localhost}_Lists\/ubn_AA-all,{localhost}_Lists\/r_lstotr,{localhost}_Lists\! /r_xfs,{l ocalhost}_Lists\/in_dups,{localhost}_Lists\/list-snt-os,{localhost}_Lists\/in__trns,{localhost}_Lists\/r-sf_lists" action="/ROLE=1/FROM=\"Carlos E. R.\" /FCC=\/home\/cer\/Mail\/_Lists\/list-sent/SIG=.signature.english.lists/TEMPLATE=.pinetemplate.english/RTYPE=YES/FTYPE=YES/CTYPE=YES", - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlnzkgIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VHTACffUkIjcCtaJJHWLCU5T8HCyV9 KcgAn0O6G+lh+csD77ZAXqmZ71sGzZsE =6K9z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dclinger at qualcomm.com Fri Oct 27 13:31:23 2017 From: dclinger at qualcomm.com (Deke Clinger) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > ...if a company cannot produce a better alpine experience... You do realize this is entirely a volunteer effort, yes? -Deke From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Oct 27 13:43:05 2017 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Really? on what do you base that generalization? I am using based on my combination of disabilities, the best tools for me. Please, preferably with objective sources, document how that relates to equifax. I would need a different body to follow...everyone else. and equifax would need this as well? Karen On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Milt Epstein wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> 1, I could care less what everyone whom ever they are has done. I use pine > > I think that's what the people at Equifax said when they decided not > to update their systems. > > >> daily without issue. I use alpine daily with regular issues. I have years >> worth of communications, and if a company cannot produce a better alpine >> experience, I am not going to Gamble more than I must. >> 2, you did not answer my first question, although I might have specified >> options within alpine settings. >> I have no idea where the actual config files are, I am logging into a shell >> provided by dreamhost, who has my office account. >> 3, where are those mail options to check? are they specific settings within >> alpine? >> Karen >> >> >> >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Eduardo Chappa wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> >>>> Not really, >>>> because my inbox path already has my server in it. >>> >>> Karen, look at your original message. I answered the question you asked... >>> >>>> The error I get sometimes says that the ssl negotiation is failing. I try >>>> again, and get through. granted alpine tends to close my inbox within 30 >>>> seconds to a minute, but I am used to that by now. the suggested server >>>> to manage their side of the ssl negotiation is not my mail server, but one >>>> of theirs. >>> >>> Aha! that's a different issue. Well, if you tell me the exact error message >>> we can look into it. However, it seems that Dreamhost's server is timing you >>> out on a very short period of time. Try setting >>> >>> Mail Check Interval = 15 >>> >>> and see how that changes your experience. You might also need to adjust the >>> values of these variables: >>> >>> TCP Open Timeout = >>> TCP Read Warning Timeout = >>> TCP Write Warning Timeout = >>> TCP Query Timeout = >>> >>>> If there is no simple solution, I will just deal with the mayhem. I admit >>>> though my dreamhost experiences do not give me much faith in alpine. >>>> fortunately we still have pine at shellworld. >>> >>> There have been many changes from Pine 4.64 to Alpine. Try Alpine and see if >>> that works better for you. I believe everyone in this list already moved to >>> Alpine years ago... >>> >>> -- >>> Eduardo >>> http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) >>> http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) >>> RSS: http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) >>> RSS: http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alpine-info mailing list >> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > > From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Oct 27 13:46:17 2017 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, dreamhost is not a volunteer effort. Karen On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Deke Clinger wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> ...if a company cannot produce a better alpine experience... > > You do realize this is entirely a volunteer effort, yes? > > -Deke > > From dclinger at qualcomm.com Fri Oct 27 14:17:13 2017 From: dclinger at qualcomm.com (Deke Clinger) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alpine is a volunteer effort. This is an Alpine list. -Deke On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > No, dreamhost is not a volunteer effort. > Karen > > > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Deke Clinger wrote: > > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > ...if a company cannot produce a better alpine experience... > > > > You do realize this is entirely a volunteer effort, yes? > > > > -Deke > > > > > From mepstein at illinois.edu Fri Oct 27 14:19:37 2017 From: mepstein at illinois.edu (Milt Epstein) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whooosh! Since you apparently missed the point (any of several), here's this: There's a reason (actually, many reasons) people update old systems -- usability, features, security, compatibility, etc. Sometimes switching/updating can be awkward, difficult, unpleasant. (But I personally have not found that to be the case with pine/alpine -- and I have been using it pretty much continuously for over 25 years.) But you get through that because it's worth it (and sometimes necessary). And, BTW, this list has nothing to do with dreamhost -- it is for alpine, which was formerly pine in another lifetime. It is supported by the developer/maintainer of alpine (and pine), as well as many others who have a lot of experience with alpine/pine (and email systems in general), who are generally very willing to help other users of alpine. As far as I can tell, he has been very helpful and responsive in trying to assist you. Milt Epstein mepstein@illinois.edu On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Really? on what do you base that generalization? I am using based on my > combination of disabilities, the best tools for me. Please, preferably with > objective sources, document how that relates to equifax. > I would need a different body to follow...everyone else. and equifax would > need this as well? > Karen > > > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Milt Epstein wrote: > > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > >> 1, I could care less what everyone whom ever they are has done. I use > >> pine > > > > I think that's what the people at Equifax said when they decided not > > to update their systems. > > > > > >> daily without issue. I use alpine daily with regular issues. I have years > >> worth of communications, and if a company cannot produce a better alpine > >> experience, I am not going to Gamble more than I must. > >> 2, you did not answer my first question, although I might have specified > >> options within alpine settings. > >> I have no idea where the actual config files are, I am logging into a shell > >> provided by dreamhost, who has my office account. > >> 3, where are those mail options to check? are they specific settings > >> within > >> alpine? > >> Karen > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > >> > >>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >>> > >>>> Not really, > >>>> because my inbox path already has my server in it. > >>> > >>> Karen, look at your original message. I answered the question you asked... > >>> > >>>> The error I get sometimes says that the ssl negotiation is failing. I > >>>> try > >>>> again, and get through. granted alpine tends to close my inbox within > >>>> 30 > >>>> seconds to a minute, but I am used to that by now. the suggested server > >>>> to manage their side of the ssl negotiation is not my mail server, but > >>>> one > >>>> of theirs. > >>> > >>> Aha! that's a different issue. Well, if you tell me the exact error > >>> message > >>> we can look into it. However, it seems that Dreamhost's server is timing > >>> you > >>> out on a very short period of time. Try setting > >>> > >>> Mail Check Interval = 15 > >>> > >>> and see how that changes your experience. You might also need to adjust > >>> the > >>> values of these variables: > >>> > >>> TCP Open Timeout = > >>> TCP Read Warning Timeout = > >>> TCP Write Warning Timeout = > >>> TCP Query Timeout = > >>> > >>>> If there is no simple solution, I will just deal with the mayhem. I > >>>> admit > >>>> though my dreamhost experiences do not give me much faith in alpine. > >>>> fortunately we still have pine at shellworld. > >>> > >>> There have been many changes from Pine 4.64 to Alpine. Try Alpine and see > >>> if > >>> that works better for you. I believe everyone in this list already moved > >>> to > >>> Alpine years ago... > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Eduardo > >>> http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) > >>> http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) > >>> RSS: http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) > >>> RSS: http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Alpine-info mailing list > >> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Alpine-info mailing list > > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > > > > > > From robin.listas at telefonica.net Fri Oct 27 14:19:38 2017 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2017-10-27 at 16:46 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Deke Clinger wrote: > >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> >>> ...if a company cannot produce a better alpine experience... >> >> You do realize this is entirely a volunteer effort, yes? > No, dreamhost is not a volunteer effort. But you are asking the Alpine community. This is a volunteer effort. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlnzouoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UJfgCfc5s+J4rzpYbFr9FvU8CwYCIH GXYAn0NoyWb/xcG8AvKOusJIjCAZt7ns =PnFr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Oct 27 14:21:34 2017 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: of course it is, which is why given your dedication to the project I would expect you to answer alpine questions. However the company reference which you took out of context did not refer to this alpine list, but how dreamhost is using, or not using Alpine. "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela. On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Deke Clinger wrote: > Alpine is a volunteer effort. This is an Alpine list. > > -Deke > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> No, dreamhost is not a volunteer effort. >> Karen >> >> >> >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Deke Clinger wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> >>>> ...if a company cannot produce a better alpine experience... >>> >>> You do realize this is entirely a volunteer effort, yes? >>> >>> -Deke >>> >>> >> > > From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Oct 27 14:48:55 2017 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh for goodness sake. I asked a single question, if there is a specific alpine setting which allows an individual user to specify the address of the server that their own mail server is communicating with? and I still do not have an answer. I do have many off point e-mails regarding isolated aspects of my own replies, which I freely own are being fortified by my lack of an answer. I am not here to understand your internal explanations about upgrading. I am here to learn if I can address this problem, or if I can just continue with the far from solid use of Alpine I am experiencing at work. No, this is not about dreamhost, it is not about equifox either...which you brought up. it is a question about alpine. On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Milt Epstein wrote: > Whooosh! Since you apparently missed the point (any of several), > here's this: > > There's a reason (actually, many reasons) people update old systems -- > usability, features, security, compatibility, etc. Sometimes > switching/updating can be awkward, difficult, unpleasant. (But I > personally have not found that to be the case with pine/alpine -- and > I have been using it pretty much continuously for over 25 years.) But > you get through that because it's worth it (and sometimes necessary). > > And, BTW, this list has nothing to do with dreamhost -- it is for > alpine, which was formerly pine in another lifetime. It is supported > by the developer/maintainer of alpine (and pine), as well as many > others who have a lot of experience with alpine/pine (and email > systems in general), who are generally very willing to help other > users of alpine. As far as I can tell, he has been very helpful and > responsive in trying to assist you. > > Milt Epstein > mepstein@illinois.edu > > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> Really? on what do you base that generalization? I am using based on my >> combination of disabilities, the best tools for me. Please, preferably with >> objective sources, document how that relates to equifax. >> I would need a different body to follow...everyone else. and equifax would >> need this as well? >> Karen >> >> >> >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Milt Epstein wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> >>>> 1, I could care less what everyone whom ever they are has done. I use >>>> pine >>> >>> I think that's what the people at Equifax said when they decided not >>> to update their systems. >>> >>> >>>> daily without issue. I use alpine daily with regular issues. I have years >>>> worth of communications, and if a company cannot produce a better alpine >>>> experience, I am not going to Gamble more than I must. >>>> 2, you did not answer my first question, although I might have specified >>>> options within alpine settings. >>>> I have no idea where the actual config files are, I am logging into a shell >>>> provided by dreamhost, who has my office account. >>>> 3, where are those mail options to check? are they specific settings >>>> within >>>> alpine? >>>> Karen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Eduardo Chappa wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Not really, >>>>>> because my inbox path already has my server in it. >>>>> >>>>> Karen, look at your original message. I answered the question you asked... >>>>> >>>>>> The error I get sometimes says that the ssl negotiation is failing. I >>>>>> try >>>>>> again, and get through. granted alpine tends to close my inbox within >>>>>> 30 >>>>>> seconds to a minute, but I am used to that by now. the suggested server >>>>>> to manage their side of the ssl negotiation is not my mail server, but >>>>>> one >>>>>> of theirs. >>>>> >>>>> Aha! that's a different issue. Well, if you tell me the exact error >>>>> message >>>>> we can look into it. However, it seems that Dreamhost's server is timing >>>>> you >>>>> out on a very short period of time. Try setting >>>>> >>>>> Mail Check Interval = 15 >>>>> >>>>> and see how that changes your experience. You might also need to adjust >>>>> the >>>>> values of these variables: >>>>> >>>>> TCP Open Timeout = >>>>> TCP Read Warning Timeout = >>>>> TCP Write Warning Timeout = >>>>> TCP Query Timeout = >>>>> >>>>>> If there is no simple solution, I will just deal with the mayhem. I >>>>>> admit >>>>>> though my dreamhost experiences do not give me much faith in alpine. >>>>>> fortunately we still have pine at shellworld. >>>>> >>>>> There have been many changes from Pine 4.64 to Alpine. Try Alpine and see >>>>> if >>>>> that works better for you. I believe everyone in this list already moved >>>>> to >>>>> Alpine years ago... >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Eduardo >>>>> http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) >>>>> http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) >>>>> RSS: http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) >>>>> RSS: http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Alpine-info mailing list >>>> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >>>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alpine-info mailing list >>> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info >>> >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > > From robin.listas at telefonica.net Fri Oct 27 15:05:14 2017 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2017-10-27 at 17:48 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Oh for goodness sake. > I asked a single question, if there is a specific alpine setting which allows > an individual user to specify the address of the server that their own > mail server is communicating with? and I still do not have an answer. You question is not clear. Can you describe the setup in detail? If you are a user with no root access, how are you going to configure how a server contacts another? You don't have permissions. You can only configure your own client, your own alpine. If Alpine is installed in a machine you access remotely, and you do not have a shell access to that remote machine, then you only have the Alpine own configuration menu. What to change will have to wait till you describe in detail the whole setup and what is the exact problem... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlnzrZoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UP0wCZAdfPkhFFEywoBDLuilRp1S1D JCQAnidMac7bRcr9NGtf0LQ4S4pjrrWA =jNPb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From clc at zephyr-software.com Fri Oct 27 15:08:25 2017 From: clc at zephyr-software.com (Clark Coleman) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think that the original respondent attempted to communicate the following facts, which I will spell out differently: 1. You don't have a problem specifying the server to communicate with. If you did, you would NEVER connect successfully. Instead, you are having an intermittent problem, by your own description. 2. The intermittent problem sounds like a timeout problem. Solutions to this were discussed with respect to various timeout settings. Settings are found in the .pinerc file, and you can either edit that file directly, or edit it starting with the main menu in alpine. Checking on these timeout settings and increasing them was suggested as the next course of action. Let us now how that goes. Clark Coleman On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Oh for goodness sake. > I asked a single question, if there is a specific alpine setting which > allows an individual user to specify the address of the server that > their own mail server is communicating with? and I still do not have an > answer. > I do have many off point e-mails regarding isolated aspects of my own > replies, which I freely own are being fortified by my lack of an answer. > I am not here to understand your internal explanations about upgrading. I > am here to learn if I can address this problem, or if I can just continue > with the far from solid use of Alpine I am experiencing at work. > No, this is not about dreamhost, it is not about equifox either...which > you brought up. it is a question about alpine. > > > > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Milt Epstein wrote: > > Whooosh! Since you apparently missed the point (any of several), >> here's this: >> >> There's a reason (actually, many reasons) people update old systems -- >> usability, features, security, compatibility, etc. Sometimes >> switching/updating can be awkward, difficult, unpleasant. (But I >> personally have not found that to be the case with pine/alpine -- and >> I have been using it pretty much continuously for over 25 years.) But >> you get through that because it's worth it (and sometimes necessary). >> >> And, BTW, this list has nothing to do with dreamhost -- it is for >> alpine, which was formerly pine in another lifetime. It is supported >> by the developer/maintainer of alpine (and pine), as well as many >> others who have a lot of experience with alpine/pine (and email >> systems in general), who are generally very willing to help other >> users of alpine. As far as I can tell, he has been very helpful and >> responsive in trying to assist you. >> >> Milt Epstein >> mepstein@illinois.edu >> >> >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> >> Really? on what do you base that generalization? I am using based on my >>> combination of disabilities, the best tools for me. Please, preferably >>> with >>> objective sources, document how that relates to equifax. >>> I would need a different body to follow...everyone else. and equifax >>> would >>> need this as well? >>> Karen >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Milt Epstein wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>> >>>> 1, I could care less what everyone whom ever they are has done. I use >>>>> pine >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think that's what the people at Equifax said when they decided not >>>> to update their systems. >>>> >>>> >>>> daily without issue. I use alpine daily with regular issues. I have >>>>> years >>>>> worth of communications, and if a company cannot produce a better >>>>> alpine >>>>> experience, I am not going to Gamble more than I must. >>>>> 2, you did not answer my first question, although I might have >>>>> specified >>>>> options within alpine settings. >>>>> I have no idea where the actual config files are, I am logging into a >>>>> shell >>>>> provided by dreamhost, who has my office account. >>>>> 3, where are those mail options to check? are they specific settings >>>>> within >>>>> alpine? >>>>> Karen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Eduardo Chappa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Not really, >>>>>>> because my inbox path already has my server in it. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Karen, look at your original message. I answered the question you >>>>>> asked... >>>>>> >>>>>> The error I get sometimes says that the ssl negotiation is failing. I >>>>>>> try >>>>>>> again, and get through. granted alpine tends to close my inbox >>>>>>> within >>>>>>> 30 >>>>>>> seconds to a minute, but I am used to that by now. the suggested >>>>>>> server >>>>>>> to manage their side of the ssl negotiation is not my mail server, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> of theirs. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Aha! that's a different issue. Well, if you tell me the exact error >>>>>> message >>>>>> we can look into it. However, it seems that Dreamhost's server is >>>>>> timing >>>>>> you >>>>>> out on a very short period of time. Try setting >>>>>> >>>>>> Mail Check Interval = 15 >>>>>> >>>>>> and see how that changes your experience. You might also need to >>>>>> adjust >>>>>> the >>>>>> values of these variables: >>>>>> >>>>>> TCP Open Timeout = >>>>>> TCP Read Warning Timeout = >>>>>> TCP Write Warning Timeout = >>>>>> TCP Query Timeout = >>>>>> >>>>>> If there is no simple solution, I will just deal with the mayhem. I >>>>>>> admit >>>>>>> though my dreamhost experiences do not give me much faith in alpine. >>>>>>> fortunately we still have pine at shellworld. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There have been many changes from Pine 4.64 to Alpine. Try Alpine and >>>>>> see >>>>>> if >>>>>> that works better for you. I believe everyone in this list already >>>>>> moved >>>>>> to >>>>>> Alpine years ago... >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Eduardo >>>>>> http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) >>>>>> http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) >>>>>> RSS: http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) >>>>>> RSS: http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Alpine-info mailing list >>>>> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >>>>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Alpine-info mailing list >>>> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >>>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Alpine-info mailing list >> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > -- Clark L. Coleman Principal Scientist Zephyr Software LLC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dclinger at qualcomm.com Fri Oct 27 15:25:50 2017 From: dclinger at qualcomm.com (Deke Clinger) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I asked a single question, if there is a specific alpine setting which > allows an individual user to specify the address of the server that their > own mail server is communicating with? Okay. This is that setting (from Eduardo's first reply): inbox-path={mail.curtainupdistribution.org/ssl/user=YourId}INBOX This tells Alpine to talk to mail.curtainupdistribution.org (which is IP 69.163.253.135). Later in this thread: >> Does this help? > Not really, because my inbox path already has my server in it. The error > I get sometimes says that the ssl negotiation is failing. I try again, > and get through. granted alpine tends to close my inbox within 30 > seconds to a minute, but I am used to that by now. the suggested server > to manage their side of the ssl negotiation is not my mail server, but > one of theirs. To which Eduardo replied: > Try setting: > > Mail Check Interval = 15 > > and see how that changes your experience. You might also need to adjust the > values of these variables: > > TCP Open Timeout = > TCP Read Warning Timeout = > TCP Write Warning Timeout = > TCP Query Timeout = These are all configurable from the Alpine config menu. >From the startup screen: S SETUP - Configure Alpine Options (C) Config: Allows you to set or unset many features of Alpine. You may also set the values of many options with this command. If this doesn't work for you you can also edit the configuration file, which is ~/.pinerc by default. I'd also point out in passing that it looks like you're using the term 'mail server' to refer to two different hosts here: the machine where you're running Alpine (what might be referred to as the 'client') and the machine you're trying to tell Alpine to connect to. -Deke From mattack at apple.com Fri Oct 27 15:37:11 2017 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I asked a single question, if there is a specific alpine setting which allows > an individual user to specify the address of the server that their own mail > server is communicating with? and I still do not have an answer. alpine is not a mail server, it is a mail client. People have told you how to change the INBOX setting of the alpine *CLIENT* to connect to a different mail server. If you are having problems with your mail server, which you apparently are, ask that on a list/web site/newsgroup/whatever for that mail server itself. From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Oct 27 15:56:16 2017 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now we are getting somewhere! Technically I am indeed configuring my own client, the edition of the client stored on the shell I am accessing. If there is not a setting that looks something like, and I am not saying it would be exactly like this, but as an example. connection server = the.hostserver.com Then the answer to my question is no. my error states that ssl negotiation is failing, that is a quote. it was my host company who suggested I use a different connection server. I agree with you, personally I feel that since root belongs to them, configuring the mail server to which my client is connecting would fall to them as well. Since they disagree, I wanted to ask in case I really could address the problem at the client end. Karen On Sat, 28 Oct 2017, Carlos E. R. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Friday, 2017-10-27 at 17:48 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> Oh for goodness sake. >> I asked a single question, if there is a specific alpine setting which >> allows an individual user to specify the address of the server that >> their own mail server is communicating with? and I still do not have an >> answer. > > You question is not clear. > > Can you describe the setup in detail? > > If you are a user with no root access, how are you going to configure how a > server contacts another? You don't have permissions. > > > You can only configure your own client, your own alpine. If Alpine is > installed in a machine you access remotely, and you do not have a shell > access to that remote machine, then you only have the Alpine own > configuration menu. > > What to change will have to wait till you describe in detail the whole setup > and what is the exact problem... > > > - -- Cheers, > Carlos E. R. > (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iEYEARECAAYFAlnzrZoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UP0wCZAdfPkhFFEywoBDLuilRp1S1D > JCQAnidMac7bRcr9NGtf0LQ4S4pjrrWA > =jNPb > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > > > From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Oct 27 16:09:30 2017 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and mail server connectivity. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for providing this! I am sorry to have gotten far afield, still this simple direct answer is what I have been seeking. Previously I have adjusted timeout settings, but will try again. Thanks so much, Kare On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Clark Coleman wrote: > I think that the original respondent attempted to communicate the following > facts, which I will spell out differently: > > 1. You don't have a problem specifying the server to communicate with. If > you did, you would NEVER connect successfully. Instead, you are having an > intermittent problem, by your own description. > > 2. The intermittent problem sounds like a timeout problem. Solutions to > this were discussed with respect to various timeout settings. > > Settings are found in the .pinerc file, and you can either edit that file > directly, or edit it starting with the main menu in alpine. > Checking on these timeout settings and increasing them was suggested as the > next course of action. Let us now how that goes. > > Clark Coleman > > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Karen Lewellen > wrote: > >> Oh for goodness sake. >> I asked a single question, if there is a specific alpine setting which >> allows an individual user to specify the address of the server that >> their own mail server is communicating with? and I still do not have an >> answer. >> I do have many off point e-mails regarding isolated aspects of my own >> replies, which I freely own are being fortified by my lack of an answer. >> I am not here to understand your internal explanations about upgrading. I >> am here to learn if I can address this problem, or if I can just continue >> with the far from solid use of Alpine I am experiencing at work. >> No, this is not about dreamhost, it is not about equifox either...which >> you brought up. it is a question about alpine. >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Milt Epstein wrote: >> >> Whooosh! Since you apparently missed the point (any of several), >>> here's this: >>> >>> There's a reason (actually, many reasons) people update old systems -- >>> usability, features, security, compatibility, etc. Sometimes >>> switching/updating can be awkward, difficult, unpleasant. (But I >>> personally have not found that to be the case with pine/alpine -- and >>> I have been using it pretty much continuously for over 25 years.) But >>> you get through that because it's worth it (and sometimes necessary). >>> >>> And, BTW, this list has nothing to do with dreamhost -- it is for >>> alpine, which was formerly pine in another lifetime. It is supported >>> by the developer/maintainer of alpine (and pine), as well as many >>> others who have a lot of experience with alpine/pine (and email >>> systems in general), who are generally very willing to help other >>> users of alpine. As far as I can tell, he has been very helpful and >>> responsive in trying to assist you. >>> >>> Milt Epstein >>> mepstein@illinois.edu >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> >>> Really? on what do you base that generalization? I am using based on my >>>> combination of disabilities, the best tools for me. Please, preferably >>>> with >>>> objective sources, document how that relates to equifax. >>>> I would need a different body to follow...everyone else. and equifax >>>> would >>>> need this as well? >>>> Karen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Milt Epstein wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> 1, I could care less what everyone whom ever they are has done. I use >>>>>> pine >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think that's what the people at Equifax said when they decided not >>>>> to update their systems. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> daily without issue. I use alpine daily with regular issues. I have >>>>>> years >>>>>> worth of communications, and if a company cannot produce a better >>>>>> alpine >>>>>> experience, I am not going to Gamble more than I must. >>>>>> 2, you did not answer my first question, although I might have >>>>>> specified >>>>>> options within alpine settings. >>>>>> I have no idea where the actual config files are, I am logging into a >>>>>> shell >>>>>> provided by dreamhost, who has my office account. >>>>>> 3, where are those mail options to check? are they specific settings >>>>>> within >>>>>> alpine? >>>>>> Karen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Eduardo Chappa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not really, >>>>>>>> because my inbox path already has my server in it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Karen, look at your original message. I answered the question you >>>>>>> asked... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The error I get sometimes says that the ssl negotiation is failing. I >>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>> again, and get through. granted alpine tends to close my inbox >>>>>>>> within >>>>>>>> 30 >>>>>>>> seconds to a minute, but I am used to that by now. the suggested >>>>>>>> server >>>>>>>> to manage their side of the ssl negotiation is not my mail server, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> of theirs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aha! that's a different issue. Well, if you tell me the exact error >>>>>>> message >>>>>>> we can look into it. However, it seems that Dreamhost's server is >>>>>>> timing >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> out on a very short period of time. Try setting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mail Check Interval = 15 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and see how that changes your experience. You might also need to >>>>>>> adjust >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> values of these variables: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TCP Open Timeout = >>>>>>> TCP Read Warning Timeout = >>>>>>> TCP Write Warning Timeout = >>>>>>> TCP Query Timeout = >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If there is no simple solution, I will just deal with the mayhem. I >>>>>>>> admit >>>>>>>> though my dreamhost experiences do not give me much faith in alpine. >>>>>>>> fortunately we still have pine at shellworld. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There have been many changes from Pine 4.64 to Alpine. Try Alpine and >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> that works better for you. I believe everyone in this list already >>>>>>> moved >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> Alpine years ago... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Eduardo >>>>>>> http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) >>>>>>> http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) >>>>>>> RSS: http: //alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) >>>>>>> RSS: http: //repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Alpine-info mailing list >>>>>> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >>>>>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Alpine-info mailing list >>>>> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >>>>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alpine-info mailing list >>> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Alpine-info mailing list >> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info >> > > > > -- > Clark L. Coleman > Principal Scientist > Zephyr Software LLC > From robin.listas at telefonica.net Fri Oct 27 18:44:48 2017 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] How do I identify a folder on a Role? [SOLVED] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2017-10-27 at 13:23 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Hi, > > I have just defined an imap folder thus: > > incoming-folders="Tesa L imap" {imap.telefonica.net}INBOX, > .... > > Now, I want to use a default role for it. I already have one for other > folders, which I activate thus: > > Current Folder Type = > Set Choose One > --- -------------------- > ( ) Any > ( ) News > ( ) Email > (*) Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T) > Folder List = {imap.telefonica.net}INBOX > {localhost}_Lists/os-en > {localhost}_Lists/os-other > > > > But when I reply to an email on that folder ({imap.telefonica.net}INBOX) > the role does not activate and Alpine asks which role to use or none. > > I also tried to "use ^T", which resulted in: > > (*) Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T) > Folder List = Tesa L imap > {localhost}_Lists/os-en > {localhost}_Lists/os-other > > But it also doesn't work. > > On other folders it does work. > > How should I do it? > > I use "alpine-2.21-102.1.x86_64" on openSUSE Leap 42.2 For the record, the issue has been solved, with the kind help from Eduardo who looked at the detailed debug log in private. The thing is that alpine was checking if: {imap.telefonica.net}INBOX was equal to {imap.telefonica.net:143/imap/readonly/user="USERNAME"}INBOX, which failed. The icomming folder had do be changed accordingly to: incoming-folder = "Tesa L imap" {imap.telefonica.net/user=USERNAME}INBOX, While the role has: Current Folder Type = Set Choose One --- -------------------- ( ) Any ( ) News ( ) Email (*) Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T) Folder List = Tesa L imap <============== {localhost}_Lists/os-en - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlnz4RAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U+uwCgjS2Jpu8sef9WaaKxTLp1Ml6R sY4AoJVije+dsRkwtiNbPVVRu9rjh2SP =PRsL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dandunfee at gmail.com Sat Oct 28 07:05:44 2017 From: dandunfee at gmail.com (dan d.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Index format tokens Message-ID: I erased the token for the number of a message at pinerc index-format=. I couldn't find it in the token list in help in the configuration section for index format. Can someone help please? Later wanting to add it again I cann't recall what it is. -- XB XB XB From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Sat Oct 28 07:11:32 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Index format tokens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017, dan d. wrote: > I erased the token for the number of a message at pinerc index-format=. > > I couldn't find it in the token list in help in the configuration > section for index format. > > Can someone help please? > Later wanting to add it again I cann't recall what it is. Dear Dan, I think you are referring to the MSGNO token. I hope this helps. -- Eduardo http://bit.ly/2vyvUeF (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://bit.ly/2vyL1oo (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From dandunfee at gmail.com Sat Oct 28 08:10:55 2017 From: dandunfee at gmail.com (dan d.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Index format tokens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes! Thanks much. On Sat, 28 Oct 2017, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Sat, 28 Oct 2017, dan d. wrote: > > > I erased the token for the number of a message at pinerc index-format=. > > > > I couldn't find it in the token list in help in the configuration section > > for index format. > > > > Can someone help please? > > Later wanting to add it again I cann't recall what it is. > > Dear Dan, > > I think you are referring to the MSGNO token. > > I hope this helps. > > -- XB XB XB From robin.listas at telefonica.net Sat Oct 28 14:50:49 2017 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Is it possible to apply filters manually? Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I wonder if it is possible to apply filters manually instead of automatically. My current setup uses fetchmail --> postfix --> procmail --> dovecot But I like to look at the email at the ISP INBOX, using Thunderbird or Alpine, and eventually call fetchmail to move the email to my local storage and sort it into appropriate folders. The snag is that the read/answered marks are lost. So I'm considering to run filters on the Alpine view of the isp INBOX folder and move the posts to the appropriate folders, perhaps do some changes, add/change a header. But apparently this is not possible or I read the docs incorrectly. Perhaps manually move posts to an intermediate folder, and this one have automatic filters that do the move to the appropriate folders? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAln0+8AACgkQtTMYHG2NR9URHQCglJUeTA1/wTqKSlz98uYs0RJz K0kAoJMY7ZsJsZER4B42QQJynrEAZQry =TmaM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dclinger at qualcomm.com Sat Oct 28 17:58:01 2017 From: dclinger at qualcomm.com (Deke Clinger) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Is it possible to apply filters manually? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, I wanted about the same thing: a pristine copy of everything as it was delivered before procmail touched it. So near the top of my procmailrc I have: TODAY=`date +%y-%m-%d` ... :0 c: backup/$TODAY That should get you a local copy of your ISP drop (broken up day-by-day). -Deke On Sat, 28 Oct 2017, Carlos E. R. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hi, > > I wonder if it is possible to apply filters manually instead of automatically. > > > My current setup uses fetchmail --> postfix --> procmail --> dovecot > > But I like to look at the email at the ISP INBOX, using Thunderbird or Alpine, > and eventually call fetchmail to move the email to my local storage and sort > it into appropriate folders. > > The snag is that the read/answered marks are lost. So I'm considering to run > filters on the Alpine view of the isp INBOX folder and move the posts to the > appropriate folders, perhaps do some changes, add/change a header. > > But apparently this is not possible or I read the docs incorrectly. > > > Perhaps manually move posts to an intermediate folder, and this one have > automatic filters that do the move to the appropriate folders? > > - -- Cheers, > Carlos E. R. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iEYEARECAAYFAln0+8AACgkQtTMYHG2NR9URHQCglJUeTA1/wTqKSlz98uYs0RJz > K0kAoJMY7ZsJsZER4B42QQJynrEAZQry > =TmaM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > > From robin.listas at telefonica.net Sat Oct 28 19:36:25 2017 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Is it possible to apply filters manually? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2017-10-28 at 17:58 -0700, Deke Clinger wrote: > Hey, > > I wanted about the same thing: a pristine copy of everything as it was > delivered before procmail touched it. So near the top of my procmailrc I > have: > > TODAY=`date +%y-%m-%d` > ... > :0 c: > backup/$TODAY > > That should get you a local copy of your ISP drop (broken up day-by-day). Not what I want, and I already do that. I want a _sorted_ copy of all that is in the ISP/INBOX, keeping all the flags such as SEEN. Procmail destroys all that information. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAln1PqkACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XqTACeLaEZbZgunwg8Ymx0TA6GSH8W TTMAnjAGTDxMlaWxq3uRpGQFoyo0pNNq =KjX+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Sun Oct 29 10:07:58 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Is it possible to apply filters manually? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017, Carlos E. R. wrote: > I wonder if it is possible to apply filters manually instead of > automatically. Yes, make the filter depend on something that is not present in the folder at the moment you open it. For example, make the filter depend on the existence of a keyword in the message. ===== FILTERED MESSAGE CONDITIONS BEGIN HERE ============= Keyword pattern = FilterNow Since your messages will not have that keyword set, when you open the folder, then no message will be filtered. Once you are ready to have the folder filtered, use aggregate operations to set the keyword FilterNow in all messages. If for any reason this does not cause the folder to be filtered immediately, press M S R F N to activate the filter at that time. How could this fail? If you lose connection to the folder after you filtered the messages, you might get messages filtered twice. In order to avoid this consider setting up a LOCAL maildrop (x-alpine-help:h_maildrop) This will take the place of fetchmail in your process, but it will make this process more solid. I hope this helps. -- Eduardo http://bit.ly/2vyvUeF (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://bit.ly/2vyL1oo (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From robin.listas at telefonica.net Sun Oct 29 15:08:28 2017 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Is it possible to apply filters manually? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2017-10-29 at 11:07 -0600, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Sat, 28 Oct 2017, Carlos E. R. wrote: > >> I wonder if it is possible to apply filters manually instead of >> automatically. > > Yes, make the filter depend on something that is not present in the folder at > the moment you open it. For example, make the filter depend on the existence > of a keyword in the message. .... Ah! :-o Yes, I understand. Interesting! > How could this fail? If you lose connection to the folder after you filtered > the messages, you might get messages filtered twice. In order to avoid this > consider setting up a LOCAL maildrop (x-alpine-help:h_maildrop) This will > take the place of fetchmail in your process, but it will make this process > more solid. x-alpine-help:h_maildrop... Ah! I did not know about sending help links. Cute! I was searching for a way to search for "h_maildrop" from the help menu till I found that I just had to click on it! > I hope this helps. It does, yes. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAln2UVwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VGZwCfWo5i8mKspyg3OB0E6w25hNNQ tg8An0rKb5Af7ct1gO3dPa3WfWlWYEQL =4BlX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From robin.listas at telefonica.net Mon Oct 30 06:38:03 2017 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Is it possible to apply filters manually? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2017-10-28 at 23:50 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder if it is possible to apply filters manually instead of > automatically. > > > My current setup uses fetchmail --> postfix --> procmail --> dovecot > > But I like to look at the email at the ISP INBOX, using Thunderbird or > Alpine, and eventually call fetchmail to move the email to my local > storage and sort it into appropriate folders. > > The snag is that the read/answered marks are lost. So I'm considering to > run filters on the Alpine view of the isp INBOX folder and move the posts > to the appropriate folders, perhaps do some changes, add/change a header. > > But apparently this is not possible or I read the docs incorrectly. > > > Perhaps manually move posts to an intermediate folder, and this one have > automatic filters that do the move to the appropriate folders? I'm testing this last method. Eduardo propossed to trigger on the existence of a keyword on the message (the keyword is added when the filter action is wanted) combined with a local maildrop. This is interesting, but I think I'm more familiar with just creating another folder and applying filters to this folder. I just need to move (copy for testing) mails to this filtered folder. It worked instantly, first try (just one filter for the moment, I need dozens) :-) Now, I have another issue to cover for completion. My current procmail rules are like these: :0f * ^List-Id:.*Alpine Discussion Forum.* | $FORMAIL -bfi 'Reply-To: "Alpine-info" ' :0 aw: $HOME/Mail/.D-locks/_Lists/uw-alpine.lock | $DELIVER -m _Lists/uw-alpine :0f * ^X-Mailinglist: opensuse | $FORMAIL -bfi 'Reply-To: "OS-en" ' :0 aw: $HOME/Mail/.D-locks/_Lists/y_gml_os-unifd.lock | $DELIVER -m _Lists/y_gml_os-unifd It is simple: it triggers on the existence of a header that identifies the mail list, then it adds a "Reply-To" header (saving the old one if it exists) so that a reply to that post goes direct to the mail list instead of to the poster. This is needed because Alpine does not have a "Reply to mail list" button, and some mail lists complain if one answers both to mail list and poster. How could I acchieve that, manipulating a header in the filtered post? I have seen this section in the filter definition: External Categorizer Commands = Command = Exit Status Interval = Character Limit = But the command doesn't act as a filter (the output is ignored), so it is not what I want. Do I miss another way? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAln3K0QACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XfNQCeI2Ys2w6htyxaJb7IjKp7wNa4 GYgAnRV3PXLpfPk8/OEMTv2sQKw0EVV6 =g2kV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alpine.chappa at gmx.com Mon Oct 30 08:05:32 2017 From: alpine.chappa at gmx.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] Is it possible to apply filters manually? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Oct 2017, Carlos E. R. wrote: > It is simple: it triggers on the existence of a header that identifies the > mail list, then it adds a "Reply-To" header (saving the old one if it exists) > so that a reply to that post goes direct to the mail list instead of to the > poster. This is needed because Alpine does not have a "Reply to mail list" > button, and some mail lists complain if one answers both to mail list and > poster. > > How could I acchieve that, manipulating a header in the filtered post? Dear Carlos, this is interesting, but this is where filtering and delivering differ. However, I have a suggestion at the end. What you are attempting to do is to modify the message. In an ideal world, what one would like to happen is that message number 1 in the folder be applied the procmail rule and remain message number 1 in that folder. What procmail does is to change the message before it becomes message number 1. This makes a difference, because when you open a folder using IMAP the message is processed and header information is passed to the client. The client is supposed to save that information. The information on headers is not modifiable according to the standard (e.g. who sent the message, what the subeject was, etc.) I do not know of any IMAP command that says "I rescaned the folder and I got new headers information. Save this new information and discard the old one." In essence what you want to do, that would follow the IMAP logic, is to modify and existent message and create a new message by doing that, so message number 1 could be message number 5 now. You might think that this is not an issue, because you could make message 5 to be message 1 by deleting enough messages, but that is not the issue. In IMAP every message has a Unique IDentifier (UID) which does not change, so the message with UID 1 and the message with UID 5 are different. It is necessary to have UID so that certain operations on messages succeed. So what we have so far is that by applying filters to a folder in Alpine that modify headers, you need to create a message with a new UID, a new message after all. This is what happens when you delete an attachment from a message, for example. That's why you are not going to find this operation in the filter section. When you are delivering a message the previous issue does not happen, because the message is not in the folder in the first place, so there is no issue about if you are modifying an existing message or not. Here is something you might try though. I have not tested this, but might do what you want to do. See if you can accomplish what you want by piping your message to procmail. You could even use aggregate operations to pipe your messages all at once. I hope my explanation was clear enough. -- Eduardo http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/ (Web) http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git) RSS: http://alpine.freeiz.com/alpine/alpine.xml (Web updates) RSS: http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git/rss (Git updates) From dandunfee at gmail.com Tue Oct 31 09:31:21 2017 From: dandunfee at gmail.com (dan d.) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] =?iso-8859-15?q?Reverse_a_delete_command=AC?= Message-ID: Hello,? I recently did a reinstall of alpine, including tossing .pinerc. Before when using "d" to delete a message then deciding not to; a "u" would reverse the delete. Now that no longer happens. What item in conffiguration does as desired?? Thanks. -- XB From schamane at fam.tuwien.ac.at Tue Oct 31 09:53:33 2017 From: schamane at fam.tuwien.ac.at (Andreas Schamanek) Date: Tue Jun 12 15:15:04 2018 Subject: [Alpine-info] =?iso-8859-15?q?Reverse_a_delete_command=AC?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 2017, at 12:31, dan d. wrote: > I recently did a reinstall of alpine, including tossing .pinerc. > Before when using "d" to delete a message then deciding not to; a > "u" would reverse the delete. Now that no longer happens. What item > in conffiguration does as desired?? I can't remember that there is such a configuration. You are accessing a Gmail folder, aren't you? Gmail -> Settings -> Forwarding and Pop/IMAP -> Auto-Expunge off -- -- Andreas :-)